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TroyG
16-Dec-2016, 08:29
Hello, all!

I have an original graphic view that had come with the original Kodak shutter. After many trips to a repair shop, we finally declared the shutter a lost hope (B and T would slip and not hold the shutter open intermittently. A new part would have fixed it but that was more trouble than I was willing to go through for this shutter), so I went out and bought myself a modern lens in a modern copal #1 shutter (thanks, uphereinmytree)! This not only functions on all settings, is a lot faster, but also has a flash sync terminal that has made me think about using flash for the first time. My question is, however, how have people mounted flashes on these cameras in the past? I found the manual online and there is no mention of it (probably because this pre-dates electronic flashes by quite some time!). My best hope would be to utilize the thread on top of the front standard that was marked for use by the bellows shade that was an accessory back then. However, I don't know what the exact thread size is. I shoved some drill bits in there and my 1/8" drill bit fit the best but I'm sure thats not the best/most scientific solution. Then even once I know the thread size, I need to scour the interwebs to find a thread adapter. My thought was (assuming it is indeed 1/8") Have a 1/8" to 1/4-20 adapter then get a 1/4-20 to cold shoe adapter to hold an electronic flash. Or has anyone else found/is there a better way to go about doing this? I could just have the flash on a stand next to the camera, but I would love it to be a little bit more portable than that.

Thanks!

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DrTang
16-Dec-2016, 08:55
um......

no no no no no - don't put a flash on a camera above the lens like that..any camera.. just say no

get a light stand and flash and at least an umbrella

TroyG
17-Dec-2016, 06:34
Well, as stated in my post, I don't really have the means to travel with a light stand, much less a light stand and an umbrella. I have every intention of doing it right when I have the means to but when I travel I simply don't.

Doremus Scudder
17-Dec-2016, 07:22
If you're only going to use one flash, then get a longer cable release and hand-hold your flash where it will do the best job (your camera is on a tripod, right?). Any old "potato masher" flash has a handle.

Doremus

mdarnton
17-Dec-2016, 10:15
Or hold the flash yourself, from as far away as your cable release will let you. But using direct flash with a view camera is like using a sports car to drive the kid's soccer team to practice.

Jac@stafford.net
17-Dec-2016, 10:55
Your camera has that good square rail. You could mount a Manfrotto Super Clamp to the rail, between the front and rear standards, or better on the tripod leg. The stud shown in the picture can accommodate a flash base.

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Randy Moe
17-Dec-2016, 11:06
Mortensen described and used a single bare bulb as close to taking lens as possible.

There are no rules, try everything. I have Graphic View II. a very nice camera.

Some my foolishness. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?121911-LF-Studio-Flashbulbs-last-night-Selfish-images&p=1239154&viewfull=1#post1239154

Jim Jones
17-Dec-2016, 19:31
Your camera has that good square rail. . . .
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The Graphic View has an inverted V rail. Perhaps the Manfrotto or similar clamp could be persuaded to work.

TroyG
17-Dec-2016, 20:07
Doremus and mdarnton, that could be explored but I have very little faith in my ability to cure my shaky hands and not mess up holding it. I'm sure with enough distance it would take a lot of movement to make a difference but it's also just convenience factor. And hey, mdarnton, if the minivan is in the shop, the kids need to get to practice somehow!

Jac, very interesting! A little bit of a "do'oh" moment that I hadn't explored the idea of simply clamping it somewhere. My only concern would then be trying to get it above the lens as flash from below typically doesn't flatter most. I don't know that I'll be using it for portraiture of any kind but versatility would be nice. I'll look into clamp options!

Randy, thank you for the positivity!!! I love exploring new things and trying different techniques. I have a roll film back and am waiting on a Polaroid back so I won't just be shooting my 4x5 stuff that I reserve usually for the "serious" stuff. Figured having a flash would help in some urban environments that perhaps a 30 second exposure isn't possible/wouldn't be advised.

Thank you for constructive ideas, everyone!




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Jim Jones
17-Dec-2016, 20:47
Troy, the thread on the top of the front standard appears to be a common 8x32. You should find a variety of machine bolts of this size in any hardware store, and perhaps some with knobs.

SpeedGraphic
2-Jan-2017, 17:32
Troy, the thread on the top of the front standard appears to be a common 8x32. You should find a variety of machine bolts of this size in any hardware store, and perhaps some with knobs.


Yup. This is for holding the accessory bellows lens shade. It's "not that strong" as it's just tapped into the aluminum casting. Boy,,, as these aren't really a field camera I can't imagine not being able to pair one with a lightweight light stand to hold a flash. Grab a sheet music stand and try that with a small strobe. They are cheap and fold up into nothing.


Dave

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premortho
13-Jan-2017, 11:04
Yup. This is for holding the accessory bellows lens shade. It's "not that strong" as it's just tapped into the aluminum casting. Boy,,, as these aren't really a field camera I can't imagine not being able to pair one with a lightweight light stand to hold a flash. Grab a sheet music stand and try that with a small strobe. They are cheap and fold up into nothing.


Dave

.The flash problem was solved eons ago by newspaper photographers. A Heiland, Kalart or Graphic flash gun mounted on the right side of the camera, with the reflector mounted above and to the right of the lens. If the shutter has synch, fine. If it doesn't, use a front lensboard mounted synchronizer. If you are going to take a gazillion flash pics, you want some kind of electronic flash. If you don't take a lot of flash pics, use flash bulbs. They are cheap enough. I used Sylvania Speed Press 25's for every thing. Much more powerful than electronic flash.