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dpn
8-Dec-2016, 13:08
Saw these Chinese copies of the Sinar Pan-Tilt Head. They list the brand of their product as "Sinar," but they're not genuine.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-Tilt-Head-for-Sinar-Camera-/182373878813 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-Tilt-Head-for-Sinar-Camera-/182373878813)

They seem to be priced well above what used copies of the genuine article go for, so there's no reason to buy one instead of the real thing.

I wonder how bad they can be, given the apparent* simplicity of the Sinar design.

*I say apparent, because I know that the devil is in the details, especially given high-precision equipment.

It just strikes me as odd that such a niche product would be copied. I can understand things like lens boards and tripod QR plates, but a specialty head?

Drew Wiley
8-Dec-2016, 13:24
Hard to say without seeing one up close. Might be decently machined or might just be more of the usual cast Mozzarella cheese painted black.

Greg Davis
8-Dec-2016, 17:40
Sinar is now owned by a Chinese company , so these may be "genuine", though not Swiss.

Bob Salomon
8-Dec-2016, 17:45
Sinar is now owned by a Chinese company , so these may be "genuine", though not Swiss.

Not quite! Sinar is owned by Leica and they are not a Chinese company. Read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinar

Greg Davis
9-Dec-2016, 07:30
At one time the Sinar website was Sinar.ch, now it seems to have gone to Sinar.swiss.

Jerry Bodine
9-Dec-2016, 08:56
At one time the Sinar website was Sinar.ch, now it seems to have gone to Sinar.swiss.

Greg, the .ch stands for Switzerland, not China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ch

Drew Wiley
9-Dec-2016, 11:02
The typical abbreviation for China is prc.

Mark Sampson
9-Dec-2016, 11:19
I'd like one of these heads for my Norma but the last one I saw for sale, used, was $300 asked(!) Won't bother to see if it's still available new- it would probably be more than I paid for my whole camera setup. I would never have thought that anyone would bother to make a knockoff. It's hard to imagine the Sinar market these days would be large enough to make it worthwhile... especially if your competition is 60 years' worth of used gear (as well as new ones).

Ken Lee
9-Dec-2016, 12:19
I have a Sinar P but I've never used one of these heads, OEM or imitation.

Do they have a compelling advantage ? Are they well-suited to Sinar cameras and their rails etc. ?

Peter De Smidt
9-Dec-2016, 12:38
Ken, I've tried lot's of heads with Sinar cameras. Nothing I've tried is as good as the Sinar head with a Sinar camera. It's light, compact, strong, and very easy to use. The rail holder can't spin on the head.

Drew Wiley
9-Dec-2016, 13:06
The Sinar Rail Clamp II prevents slippage; but it can be just as uncommon and expensive as the pan-tilt head. Now I just use the old Norma low-profile clamp,
since I'm fully accustomed to using no tripod head at all. This allows everything except pointing almost straight down.

Len Middleton
9-Dec-2016, 22:38
Saw these Chinese copies of the Sinar Pan-Tilt Head. They list the brand of their product as "Sinar," but they're not genuine.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-Tilt-Head-for-Sinar-Camera-/182373878813 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-Tilt-Head-for-Sinar-Camera-/182373878813)

It just strikes me as odd that such a niche product would be copied. I can understand things like lens boards and tripod QR plates, but a specialty head?

Well if one has some skill in disassembling and measuring components, or developing simple designs, and putting them into CAD (Computer Aided Drawing) to do CNC machining, all one would need to do then is run one prototype to test the design. Then you could advertise and build to order. Thus the only inventory you would need to carry is the raw material (e.g. aluminium bar stock).

Not certain that is what is being done, but it is a reasonable business model if you have the skills available at relatively low cost...

John Layton
10-Dec-2016, 04:24
While this product may indeed be a knockoff - nowhere on the *bay posting do I see it listed as a "Sinar" product, or "Made by Sinar." I just see it listed as "Pan-Tilt Head Made For Sinar Camera." Having said this, I still see this listing as a (somewhat) clever/obfuscatory "work around" by the Chinese manufacturer.

Greg Davis
10-Dec-2016, 15:40
Not quite! Sinar is owned by Leica and they are not a Chinese company. Read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinar

Nah, I don't have to have facts. If I say it loud enough and often enough, it's true, right? I spend time on the internet, I know how it works.

Luis-F-S
10-Dec-2016, 17:55
So if anyone buys one of these, can you post if they're any good or not? I'll just keep my used Sinar Pan-Tilt head but it's nice to know some has taken an interest in making a copy. Hopefully, it will be decent. Not that I like knock-offs, but if the original is no longer available......now if someone would just produce some of the Deardorff parts we can no longer get.................

dpn
10-Dec-2016, 21:51
If the price were comparable, I'd give one a shot. I'm still hunting for a reasonably priced genuine article.

Daniel Unkefer
11-Dec-2016, 07:50
Well
It looks good (all of his products do!) Has some cool stuff!
But
Will it hold up well under typical heavy use?

For that kind of money you can buy the real deal

dpn
5-Jan-2017, 15:34
While this product may indeed be a knockoff - nowhere on the *bay posting do I see it listed as a "Sinar" product, or "Made by Sinar." I just see it listed as "Pan-Tilt Head Made For Sinar Camera." Having said this, I still see this listing as a (somewhat) clever/obfuscatory "work around" by the Chinese manufacturer.

They changed their listing -- it used to be listed as a "Sinar" brand.

I'm getting more and more tempted to buy one or an alternative head, since I've had a hard time finding the genuine article.

Alan Gales
5-Jan-2017, 16:07
I guess you could call it a "Chinar" pan-tilt head? :rolleyes: