8x10 Film holders that only open 90degrees?

[RussHerm]

Hi!

I'm new to 8x10, but not new to LF. I ordered 3 8x10, no-name holders off of the bay a few weeks ago.... the cheap, dirty holders all work... but the film loading flap at the bottom only opens to 90 degrees! Is this normal for 8x10? all my 4x5 film flaps open to a completely flat 180degrees.

Since the flap doesn't open all the way, I have to bend the film to fit over the flap and under the guide-rails. One my paper negative test shots, the back of the paper got scratched up as it rubbed over the protruding flap... and now I dont want to risk damaging my $x/sheet film like this...

is this normal for 8x10??

[LabRat]

They should open all the way... Is there tape on the flap for the hinge??? You might have to remove the flap, clean underneath, and re-tape the hinge... Might be debris preventing it from fully opening...

Steve K

[John Kasaian]

They should open all the way... Is there tape on the flap for the hinge??? You might have to remove the flap, clean underneath, and re-tape the hinge... Might be debris preventing it from fully opening...

Steve K
Yeah, it looks like something funny is going on with the hinge tape. They need to open all the way to load your film. I'd suggest carefully removing the hinge tape and flaps---the thin wood flaps are very fragile and easily broken---give them a good cleaning and re-taping with book binder's tape. You could use gaffer's tape although gaffer's will also make the flaps stand up at 90 deg. but is flexible enough that you can hold the flap flat for loading film (it gets more flexible with experience)

[RussHerm]

Thanks for the feedback

This flap is fully rigid (metal or aluminum?) with a hard stop at 90.... I'm not sure I'll be able to get it off without aggressive tool work... And bending...

Sounds like maybe it's better to just order some newer fidelity holders... And they will open all the way

Thanks!

[Chauncey Walden]

You don't have to slide the film all the way in the long way. Completely open the darkslide, arc the film directly over the holder, slip one long edge under the lips then the other edge and slip the film the last bit under the far end lip.

[Luis-F-S]

You don't have to slide the film all the way in the long way. Completely open the darkslide, arc the film directly over the holder, slip one long edge under the lips then the other edge and slip the film the last bit under the far end lip.

Do all this in the dark of course!

[John Kasaian]

Do all this in the dark of course!

Yes, it is going to be awkward to load and more so when it comes time to unload! These must be very specialized holders---I wonder, does the locking rib at the top jive with your camera back?

[Andrew O'Neill]

Not normal. I have some that are quite stiff, and don't lie back flat. I have to hold it back with a finger while slipping in the film.

[John Layton]

they've gotta open further than this. You should try re-taping with either black gaffers tape or bookbinders tape.

[Jim Noel]

Do all this in the dark of course!

Chauncey Walden View Post
You don't have to slide the film all the way in the long way. Completely open the darkslide, arc the film directly over the holder, slip one long edge under the lips then the other edge and slip the film the last bit under the far end lip.

This is the way I load all film 8x10 and larger film regardless of the type of end flap. It is much easier said than done. Just be sure to pull the dark slide far enough out as to clear the entire negative area.

[RussHerm]

Thank you all for your responses. I'm glad to hear its not normal and my next set of modern holders will not be such a pain!

I'll give Chauncey's method a try, in hopes of being able to salvage the 3 holders - thanks for the suggestion!

[Chauncey Walden]

Unloading is very easy; with the darkslide fully open just stick a finger under the middle of the notched edge and lift up.

[Jac@stafford.net]

If this is the only 8x10 holder that does not work, just throw it away and get on with photography.
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[John Kasaian]

Thanks for the feedback

This flap is fully rigid (metal or aluminum?) with a hard stop at 90.... I'm not sure I'll be able to get it off without aggressive tool work... And bending...



Thanks!Sounds like maybe it's better to just order some newer fidelity holders... And they will open all the way
Is the hinge tape? If so try a hair dryer or heat gun to loosen the adhesive and pull off the tape off instead of bending the flap.

[Fred L]

and I believe there are a couple in the FS: section :)

[Tracy Storer]

Looks like an all aluminum Baco brand aluminum holder, I have never seen an 8x10 one. I think they were not very good new and do not age well at all.

[desertrat]

Looks like an all aluminum Baco brand aluminum holder, I have never seen an 8x10 one. I think they were not very good new and do not age well at all.

I have a Baco 4X5, and after doing some troubleshooting discovered the back was not compatible with standard 4X5 holders. I guess it was designed to work with proprietary Baco holders. After doing a little careful metal removal on the camera back, I was able to get it to accept standard holders, although they don't slide in quite all the way. The difference is only about 1/8 inch, so not a big problem.

What I'm leading up to, is if those 8X10 holders are Baco, they may not properly fit a standard 8X10 back.