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bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 08:46
Any one know where I can get one of these types of cutters for up to 11 x14 prints??

Randy Moe
8-Oct-2016, 09:05
I suppose you wanrt the old time look of small prints, but bigger.

I have one of these, but never tried the 7 different cutting wheels. I may not be able to find them.

But this won't cut 14" http://www.mybinding.com/purple-cows-2-in-1-combo-13-craft-trimmer-1040.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&utm_content=pn-32092521&%20&scid=scplp14207545&sc_intid=pn-32092521&gclid=CjwKEAjwsuK_BRDD9ISR1bawwUwSJACbOiixfd2hphW0ZL0VzbDW8LyQIbaGKXx8kvwB1Gx1vuRjHRoCnbzw_wcB

Jac@stafford.net
8-Oct-2016, 09:10
Ah, the good old deckle edge!

Haven't thought of those since childhood. Very good edge for handling small prints.

cowanw
8-Oct-2016, 09:12
http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-WWII-photo-cutter-D-R-G-M-/162232203951?hash=item25c5cafaaf:g:Vf4AAOSw8w1X-QxZ
Not quite large enough but making two cuts may not be such a problem with Deckle edges.

Jac@stafford.net
8-Oct-2016, 09:18
How about a deckle edge ripper? 24" long!
http://www.bairarteditions.com/ripper/
(scroll down)

Randy Moe
8-Oct-2016, 09:19
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5543/30108035361_696987f5f7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/MSxxXX)wavy edge (https://flic.kr/p/MSxxXX) by moe.randy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

I paid $20 for this cutter at Costco

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 09:31
I suppose you wanrt the old time look of small prints, but bigger.

I have one of these, but never tried the 7 different cutting wheels. I may not be able to find them.

But this won't cut 14" http://www.mybinding.com/purple-cows-2-in-1-combo-13-craft-trimmer-1040.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&utm_content=pn-32092521&%20&scid=scplp14207545&sc_intid=pn-32092521&gclid=CjwKEAjwsuK_BRDD9ISR1bawwUwSJACbOiixfd2hphW0ZL0VzbDW8LyQIbaGKXx8kvwB1Gx1vuRjHRoCnbzw_wcB

Thanks Randy I really need it for smaller than 8 x10 box set print I will give this site a call to see the cuts.

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 09:32
Ah, the good old deckle edge!

Haven't thought of those since childhood. Very good edge for handling small prints.

My goal is to reproduce the look Kodak gave us or at least gave my mother, simple dimpled edges on silver prints I think they looked wonderful.

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 09:34
http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-WWII-photo-cutter-D-R-G-M-/162232203951?hash=item25c5cafaaf:g:Vf4AAOSw8w1X-QxZ
Not quite large enough but making two cuts may not be such a problem with Deckle edges.

Thanks Bill , I may look at this but kind of like Randys link.

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 09:35
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5543/30108035361_696987f5f7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/MSxxXX)wavy edge (https://flic.kr/p/MSxxXX) by moe.randy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

Thats exactly it Randy so this is the cutter you linked me too?

Randy Moe
8-Oct-2016, 09:38
Thats exactly it Randy so this is the cutter you linked me too?

Yes, and I bought it at Costco for $20.

Randy Moe
8-Oct-2016, 10:00
Maybe this is better.

A Purple Cows Freehand cutter with many options. Cut any size, use a straightedge.

http://www.mybinding.com/purple-cows-freestyle-mouse-9-blade-cutting-kit-6045.html

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 10:05
Maybe this is better.

A Purple Cows Freehand cutter with many options. Cut any size, use a straightedge.

http://www.mybinding.com/purple-cows-freestyle-mouse-9-blade-cutting-kit-6045.html

No I would cut off my fingers and any appendages near the table, I like the guillotine style.

Randy Moe
8-Oct-2016, 10:16
No I would cut off my fingers and any appendages near the table, I like the guillotine style.

The one I linked to is both chopper and roller.

The roller wheel is changeable and does the fancy cutting, not the guillotine.

I almost bought that German deckle cutter...

More research showed Kodak used a die to stamp out the tiny prints, I have lots of those.

A rule die maker could make a punch to any size and it could be used with a press or hammer.

We made huge custom rule dies at my old job, specialist workers inset the razor sharp blades into perfect plywood and could make any shape. I have a good supply of round rule dies, from that job which I used to cut FujiFilm Pressure Sensitive Film (http://www.fujifilm.com/products/prescale/prescalefilm/) for testing gasket loading.

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 10:21
I really like the idea of a rule die maker making a bunch of different punches - also embossing at the same time would be a special thing for the type of usage I have in mind.

I will look into this a bit more.

bob carnie
8-Oct-2016, 10:33
To open this thread up a bit


a steel stamp and emboss idea I really like,

The purpose for me is to make Box Sets, which would also have the photographers estate embossed in the area surrounding the live image. Allowing for signature
and space to present the work in a pleasing manner.

A custom stamp and emboss would be very nice, the next stage would be to find a source of high quality boxes to put these signature prints in.

Quite small and sleek presentation of this work would be what I am looking for. The project is a fund raising effort to bring this work to eventually a world stage, and that takes
money, therefore the box set idea.
I believe I would do a silver and a pt pd run for the box sets.

Anyone with ideas on the usage of box sets for photographic works , would be appreciated as well

Specifically how does the Box set of lets say 10 images , affect the edition larger pieces?
How would one price a box set and what is its role or provenance to ones work?
Do people like box sets?

What price point would scare you off a box set?

LabRat
8-Oct-2016, 13:17
Kindermann made some very good quality deckle edge cutters... If they are still around, contact them...

Steve K

Jim Jones
8-Oct-2016, 13:23
I have a Carl RT-200 rotary cutter for which deckle blades are available http://https://www.carlmfg.com/. I haven't acquired any but the straight blades. They work fine.

Taija71A
8-Oct-2016, 14:29
I have a Carl RT-200 rotary cutter for which deckle blades are available http://https://www.carlmfg.com/. I haven't acquired any but the straight blades. They work fine.

Jim... Your URL does not work.
Is this 'perhaps' the Rotary Trimmer that you were referring to?

https://www.carlmfg.com/rt-200-12-rotary-disc-trimmer.html

As you stated... I see that there are numerous Designer Blade Sets (including Deckle) -- Available for it.

Thank-you! -Tim.

interneg
8-Oct-2016, 16:31
a steel stamp and emboss idea I really like,

The purpose for me is to make Box Sets, which would also have the photographers estate embossed in the area surrounding the live image. Allowing for signature
and space to present the work in a pleasing manner.

A custom stamp and emboss would be very nice, the next stage would be to find a source of high quality boxes to put these signature prints in.

Quite small and sleek presentation of this work would be what I am looking for. The project is a fund raising effort to bring this work to eventually a world stage, and that takes
money, therefore the box set idea.
I believe I would do a silver and a pt pd run for the box sets.

Anyone with ideas on the usage of box sets for photographic works , would be appreciated as well


Just a few thoughts - I've always found the wavy fake deckle edges to be a rather cheesy impersonation of real mouldmade deckles - if you're going to be making Pl/Pt prints, it might be worth talking to the St Armand paper mill in Montreal (http://www.st-armand.com/English/E02-products.php) about having a custom handmade paper done - custom watermarks, possibly even custom moulds might be feasible, depending on how much paper is involved.

Another idea worth exploring is to use an etching press to 'chine-colle' a silver gelatin on to another sheet - not sure how well this would work, though have seen carbon transfers from the 1860s presented in something coming close to this.

If you're heading down the stamp/ emboss route, what about letterpress? I recall there are quite a few letterpress printers in the Toronto area, a major supplier of type/ equipment (http://www.donblack.ca/) and even a fine press dedicated to producing books on photography via letterpress/ offset/ silver gelatin - http://www.lumierepress.com/

Same for boxes - I'd imagine there are a few edition/ design bookbinders around who might be interested - I understand that Ryerson University teaches bookbinding on some of their courses, so they might have useful contacts, as will any decent letterpress printer in the area.

Regarding the usage of box sets, you might want to check on the work of Pentti Sammallahti and his Opus imprint in Finland - Kristoffer Albrecht in particular seems to have made quite a few boxes of prints/ small portfolios - http://www.kristofferalbrecht.com/books.html - prices I've seen were in the 1000EUR range for the boxes/ fully handmade books, which is fairly reasonable. Again, Ryerson's library & archives might be a place to ask/ start - I think they have quite a strong small press collection.

I should add that quite a lot of this touches on my own interests - more photobooks than box-sets however. I'm currently looking for an Albion press of the right size/ cost...

Denny
9-Oct-2016, 05:42
Bob, you might consider binding the prints into handmade books (as opposed to loose prints in a box.) I've done a few of these with Pt/Pd and gum prints, and hold the book in a lipped clam shell or slipcase. It's a fair amount of work, but I prefer it to loose prints in a portfolio box. Here's an example:
http://www.dennisspector.com/images/drapery/13.html

bob carnie
9-Oct-2016, 06:59
Just a few thoughts - I've always found the wavy fake deckle edges to be a rather cheesy impersonation of real mouldmade deckles - if you're going to be making Pl/Pt prints, it might be worth talking to the St Armand paper mill in Montreal (http://www.st-armand.com/English/E02-products.php) about having a custom handmade paper done - custom watermarks, possibly even custom moulds might be feasible, depending on how much paper is involved.

Another idea worth exploring is to use an etching press to 'chine-colle' a silver gelatin on to another sheet - not sure how well this would work, though have seen carbon transfers from the 1860s presented in something coming close to this.

If you're heading down the stamp/ emboss route, what about letterpress? I recall there are quite a few letterpress printers in the Toronto area, a major supplier of type/ equipment (http://www.donblack.ca/) and even a fine press dedicated to producing books on photography via letterpress/ offset/ silver gelatin - http://www.lumierepress.com/

Same for boxes - I'd imagine there are a few edition/ design bookbinders around who might be interested - I understand that Ryerson University teaches bookbinding on some of their courses, so they might have useful contacts, as will any decent letterpress printer in the area.

Regarding the usage of box sets, you might want to check on the work of Pentti Sammallahti and his Opus imprint in Finland - Kristoffer Albrecht in particular seems to have made quite a few boxes of prints/ small portfolios - http://www.kristofferalbrecht.com/books.html - prices I've seen were in the 1000EUR range for the boxes/ fully handmade books, which is fairly reasonable. Again, Ryerson's library & archives might be a place to ask/ start - I think they have quite a strong small press collection.

I should add that quite a lot of this touches on my own interests - more photobooks than box-sets however. I'm currently looking for an Albion press of the right size/ cost...

Thank you for the detailed reply , I do know Lumier press went to his home workshop, I am thinking more wood boxes. I will give the paper mill an idea , what a beautiful product small watercolour paper for specific prints.

I will look at your links and suggestions . regards Bob

bob carnie
9-Oct-2016, 07:01
Bob, you might consider binding the prints into handmade books (as opposed to loose prints in a box.) I've done a few of these with Pt/Pd and gum prints, and hold the book in a lipped clam shell or slipcase. It's a fair amount of work, but I prefer it to loose prints in a portfolio box. Here's an example:
http://www.dennisspector.com/images/drapery/13.html

Dennis - really beautiful presentation I am happy I posted about the cutter , what wonderful help here and on APUG

Fred L
9-Oct-2016, 07:03
I believe there were scissors with those edges as well (my mom had a pair when she sewed for a living). but that might make for more work on large prints.

Randy Moe
9-Oct-2016, 07:21
Pinking shears



I believe there were scissors with those edges as well (my mom had a pair when she sewed for a living). but that might make for more work on large prints.

cowanw
9-Oct-2016, 09:10
Pinking shears are similar but offer only triangular edges rather than an irregular edge