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angusparker
8-Feb-2016, 13:23
I'm collecting key data on ULF cameras - specs, prices etc and was wondering if anyone wanted to help fill up a spreadsheet - especially with the older F&S, B&J, Kodak, Deardorff, Empire, Korona options. You can go here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kT2o95ghJOq_jz4fy7y85Qyk6Pwbza-hs_IcXlIjq-U/edit?usp=sharing)to edit it. Thanks for the help. No passwords etc needed.

PS. I have limited the data to 7x17, 8x20, 11x14, and 14x17 which are probably the most reasonable ULF sizes these days (the later because of X-ray film). So I'm really only interested in those formats. Thanks.

karl french
8-Feb-2016, 14:20
i've added some info for the Folmer and Scwhing 7x17 entry. I don't have the camera in front of me to add more. Beware of vintage data from brochures on the older cameras. The catalog states the 7x17 F&S weighs 8 pounds when in fact it weighs 10.

Dan Fromm
8-Feb-2016, 14:57
http://piercevaubel.com/cam/catalogsall.htm

Taija71A
8-Feb-2016, 15:16
Hello Angus, if you check here (on Page 9)...
You should be able to update Row 26 of your Spreadsheet -- For the 11x14 Wisner:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/cameras/wisner-expedition-technical/WisnerCatalog300dpiMonoChrome.pdf

Thank-you! Regards, -Tim.

diversey
8-Feb-2016, 15:16
I added Deardorff V11 from Deardorff official website (that is discontinued?).

angusparker
8-Feb-2016, 15:36
Thank you all for your inputs. Best, Angus

John Jarosz
9-Feb-2016, 07:14
Interesting and much needed analysis. Wait til you get to lenses/coverage. Now that's a spreadsheet that I want to see. (I know there are plenty of lens spreadsheets. But the appropriate one here is ULF only)

Jim Fitzgerald
9-Feb-2016, 09:04
Wow, I have three of the four sizes mentioned but I can't help with the data base as I built them all myself. Sorry Angus :-(

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 09:08
Wow, I have three of the four sizes mentioned but I can't help with the data base as I built them all myself. Sorry Angus :-(

Need to start a new category: "The Fitzgerald". If you dedicate yourself to ULF production like Richard Ritter, I don't see why not!

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 09:09
Interesting and much needed analysis. Wait til you get to lenses/coverage. Now that's a spreadsheet that I want to see. (I know there are plenty of lens spreadsheets. But the appropriate one here is ULF only)

Here is a start for up to 14x17: http://www.angusparkerphoto.com/blog/2015/2/ulf-lens-recommendations-14x17

Greg
9-Feb-2016, 09:17
Leslie Stroebel's book VIEW CAMERA TECHNIQUE 7th edition has a many page table of features and specs for 6x9, 4x5, 8x10, and 11x14 (112 total) cameras. Also Comparison of lenses. Unfortunately covers only new (as of in 1999) equipment. My cameras are current Chamonixes and my "newest" lens is probably circa 1980 so pretty much none of my equipment is listed...
Greg

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 10:12
Leslie Stroebel's book VIEW CAMERA TECHNIQUE 7th edition has a many page table of features and specs for 6x9, 4x5, 8x10, and 11x14 (112 total) cameras. Also Comparison of lenses. Unfortunately covers only new (as of in 1999) equipment. My cameras are current Chamonixes and my "newest" lens is probably circa 1980 so pretty much none of my equipment is listed...
Greg

Great - I have that book already. I'll see what we are missing. We have 62 cameras on the list now - many with partial info.

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 10:14
Just a reminder the edit link for the spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kT2o95ghJOq_jz4fy7y85Qyk6Pwbza-hs_IcXlIjq-U/edit?usp=sharing

Oren Grad
9-Feb-2016, 14:18
For the table linked from your blog post:

Dick Phillips made at least five different ULF models. The ones I'm aware of are 7x17, 8x16, 11x14 Compact, 11x14 Explorer and 12x20.

You can find detailed specs for four of the Wisner ULF models (8x20 Technical, 11x14 Technical, 12x20 Technical and 20x24 Technical) in the LF Field Camera section of the old B&H Pro Photo SourceBook, which is available for free download from the B&H "Sourcebooks & Catalogs" page: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/FreeCatalog.jsp

Canham 20x24: http://canhamcameras.com/20x24.html

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 15:09
For the table linked from your blog post:

Dick Phillips made at least five different ULF models. The ones I'm aware of are 7x17, 8x16, 11x14 Compact, 11x14 Explorer and 12x20.

You can find detailed specs for four of the Wisner ULF models (8x20 Technical, 11x14 Technical, 12x20 Technical and 20x24 Technical) in the LF Field Camera section of the old B&H Pro Photo SourceBook, which is available for free download from the B&H "Sourcebooks & Catalogs" page: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/FreeCatalog.jsp

Canham 20x24: http://canhamcameras.com/20x24.html

Thanks Owen. Best, Angus

Len Middleton
9-Feb-2016, 15:20
Angus,

Just made a minor spelling correction to the Korona 7x17 & 8x20 listing, and added the lensboard to the 8x20 entry. Suspect the 7x17 might be the same, but I cannot confirm that model, as that is not the one I own.

The Korona 8x20 Panoramic View also has a rear tilt and swing. Are you looking for the information from the company literature, or do you want an actual measurement from the camera?

Congratulations on your efforts, it looks to be an impressive list.

Hope that helps,

Len

Randy Moe
9-Feb-2016, 15:40
Metric metrics?

Not conversions, but native made.

angusparker
9-Feb-2016, 17:11
Angus,

Just made a minor spelling correction to the Korona 7x17 & 8x20 listing, and added the lensboard to the 8x20 entry. Suspect the 7x17 might be the same, but I cannot confirm that model, as that is not the one I own.

The Korona 8x20 Panoramic View also has a rear tilt and swing. Are you looking for the information from the company literature, or do you want an actual measurement from the camera?

Congratulations on your efforts, it looks to be an impressive list.

Hope that helps,

Len

I'm taking from the literature but there isn't much on many of these cameras so if you have observed data please provide it. Thanks

Oren Grad
9-Feb-2016, 17:41
Moved my post and your response from the other thread. Sorry Angus, hadn't seen your limitation of the formats included. I hope you'll reconsider that - the "most reasonable" criterion seems arbitrary, and I suspect including larger formats wouldn't make the list much longer.

angusparker
10-Feb-2016, 07:56
Moved my post and your response from the other thread. Sorry Angus, hadn't seen your limitation of the formats included. I hope you'll reconsider that - the "most reasonable" criterion seems arbitrary, and I suspect including larger formats wouldn't make the list much longer.

Ok, let's add at least 16x20 and 20x24!

Len Middleton
11-Feb-2016, 12:58
Updated the Korona 8x20 entry based upon measured / calculated values, and used the native measurement system it was built using (inches).

Unfortunately forgot to weigh it.

angusparker
15-Feb-2016, 18:31
Updated the Korona 8x20 entry based upon measured / calculated values, and used the native measurement system it was built using (inches).

Unfortunately forgot to weigh it.

Thank you - we are now up to 77 cameras from 7x17 through to 16x20.

Randy Moe
15-Feb-2016, 21:05
Is this limited to field cameras?

My Metric metrics question was serious. What about non-inch dimensional cameras? Meaning German, French and so on

Which could add a few...

angusparker
15-Feb-2016, 22:31
Is this limited to field cameras?

My Metric metrics question was serious. What about non-inch dimensional cameras? Meaning German, French and so on

Which could add a few...

No there are studio cameras in the list too. I've converted all the dimensions except the film size to metric - so bellows draw etc is in mm. Go ahead and add the French / German ones! I'd just put the Format column in cm - like 30x40cm and place it in order - so that it's smaller dimension is between that of the relative Inch dimensions. Thanks

Jim Noel
16-Feb-2016, 10:02
I have added the current price fo Chamonix 7x17 holders. As soon as I have c chance to measure it, I will add all measurements for my Korona 7x17.
Jim