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mjork
23-Oct-2015, 13:20
I'm shocked I couldn't find an existing thread about 35mm format photos taken with a LF camera in this forum ;)
So let me rectify this apparent omission and present my contribution to this important field of photography:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55bec398e4b010285c41f18b/5629992de4b0493d4ffaaf3b/5629992ee4b0c11a7cc7dbf4/1445566769808/2015CF09.jpg?format=500w

Photo taken on 35mm Kodak Ektar 100 loaded into a 6x9 Graflex roll film back (via 135->120 adapter) and then attached to a Super Graphic 4x5 camera. Schneider 90mm Angulon lens.

A photo of the setup I used can be seen in my blog post: http://markus.jork.com/blog/2015/10/22/super-sized-sprocket-hole-photography

mjork
23-Oct-2015, 13:21
second one:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55bec398e4b010285c41f18b/5629992de4b0493d4ffaaf3b/5629994ee4b0571626c62272/1445566802300/2015CF18.jpg?format=1000w

Bob Salomon
23-Oct-2015, 13:54
You also could try to find the Linhof Super Rollex for 35mm cartridges it was made into the 90s

pdh
23-Oct-2015, 13:58
You could also try this sort of thing ...

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/13507336475_a360dc6a2f.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mzACxD)
b20140330-1 (https://flic.kr/p/mzACxD)

mjork
23-Oct-2015, 18:30
You also could try to find the Linhof Super Rollex for 35mm cartridges it was made into the 90s

Interesting, didn't expect something like this was ever made. Seems impossible to find. The only Google search results I get for it are you claiming its existance...

mjork
23-Oct-2015, 18:31
You could also try this sort of thing ...

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/13507336475_a360dc6a2f.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/mzACxD)
b20140330-1 (https://flic.kr/p/mzACxD)

Nice idea! Never thought of that...

Jac@stafford.net
23-Oct-2015, 18:52
Interesting, didn't expect something like this was ever made. Seems impossible to find. The only Google search results I get for it are you claiming its existance...

There is one now on the 'bay. Item # 131611909719. Way expensive,
and it does not make a panoramic, does not exploit the area available.
Pretty much silly, really. Who would want to shoot the middle coverage
of an LF lens when 35mm lenses can be superior for the same spot?

Corran
23-Oct-2015, 19:28
I do this all the time, I just haven't posted a dedicated thread. They are in the other threads, but here's two I did recently:

http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/blazinbrigade-2303ss.jpg

http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/blazinbrigade-2306ss.jpg

This was with my Crown Graphic 2x3 with a 6x7 back and adapters, and 38mm XL lens. I used a 75mm 6x17 viewfinder to get the framing. Handheld obviously and shot with hyperfocal focusing.

Bob Salomon
23-Oct-2015, 19:58
Interesting, didn't expect something like this was ever made. Seems impossible to find. The only Google search results I get for it are you claiming its existance...

Had it been a good seller it probably would still be made. However, it was not a good seller and was probably made because a customer wanted one and Linhof decided to make a few to see what would result.

Fr. Mark
24-Oct-2015, 06:59
When someone gave me a Busch Pressman D w/135mm lens and some 4x5 film holders I taped a few pieces of b/w 35mm film in them being impatient to try the camera and got some nice photos. I was pleased to see the image go all the way around the sprocket holes. Don't know why I did not anticipate that. Then I remembered paper negatives and by the time I'd dabbled with that a while some 4x5 film showed up then X-ray and ortholitho and I've not been back to the idea. I found that electrical tape tends to take the paint off the septa in the film holders.

Greg Davis
24-Oct-2015, 07:27
Wow, $800 for that holder? I would love to use one, but not at that price!

Jac@stafford.net
25-Oct-2015, 14:46
Wow, $800 for that holder? I would love to use one, but not at that price!

It would be more practical to get an SLR adapter.

Greg Davis
25-Oct-2015, 16:25
No joke

Bob Salomon
25-Oct-2015, 16:48
It would be more practical to get an SLR adapter.

Not if you want to use a wide angle focal length for 35mm. In fact, you probably wouldn't be able to get a normal focal length 35mm format lens to focus to infinity. Even with a recessed board and a wide angle bellows.

LabRat
25-Oct-2015, 17:02
A guy showed me how he was using 35mm strips in old, folder roll film cameras, (and laughed about film flatness issues,) was getting a sharpish center area and progressively OOF towards the exposed sprocket areas, due to film curling... Although, this goes against ALL of my instincts, he was getting interesting special effect results...

I put it in my "never say never" file...

Steve K

John Kasaian
25-Oct-2015, 17:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PYPfJyIFrA

Jac@stafford.net
26-Oct-2015, 15:24
Not if you want to use a wide angle focal length for 35mm. In fact, you probably wouldn't be able to get a normal focal length 35mm format lens to focus to infinity. Even with a recessed board and a wide angle bellows.

We are talking about using a 35mm format back on LF.

Tim Meisburger
28-Nov-2015, 02:53
Here is my first sprocket hole portrait. Taken using a Dallmeyer 3B with an 11x14 studio camera sporting a 4x5 back, using 35mm to 120 rollfilm adapters in a 6x7 roll film back. The film was very old and poorly stored crap developed standing for two hours in 1/100 rodinal. This is a scan of a 4x10 print made made in my closet with a 4x5 Graflarger. When I was laying it out I liked the part of the previous image (the cat) on the roll visible at the top, so left that in. Had I cut that out the printed format would have been about 3 1/2 by 6 1/2 inches.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/Tim_Meisburger/2015-10%20Timor046_zpsdomzvegg.jpg (http://s1120.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Meisburger/media/2015-10%20Timor046_zpsdomzvegg.jpg.html)

mjork
28-Apr-2016, 19:31
Through Rose-tinted Glasses
View from Sausalito on San Francisco.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1447/26097821124_76d7fceb3d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FLb9Zb)

Taken with Graflex Super Graphic and Optar 203mm f/7.5 lens.
Kodak Ektar 100 film in 6x9 roll film holder with 135 film adapter.
Cokin A171 Varicolor Red/Blue polarizer.
Scan from the negative without any digital color manipulation (except setting white balance to get the clouds neutral).

StoneNYC
28-Apr-2016, 20:21
Through Rose-tinted Glasses
View from Sausalito on San Francisco.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1447/26097821124_76d7fceb3d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FLb9Zb)

Taken with Graflex Super Graphic and Optar 203mm f/7.5 lens.
Kodak Ektar 100 film in 6x9 roll film holder with 135 film adapter.
Cokin A171 Varicolor Red/Blue polarizer.
Scan from the negative without any digital color manipulation (except setting white balance to get the clouds neutral).

Can you explain what a "red/blue polarizer" does? I mean I see the color in the image but can you elaborate?

mjork
29-Apr-2016, 05:51
Can you explain what a "red/blue polarizer" does? I mean I see the color in the image but can you elaborate?

Good question. I have found very little information on these filters and this is the first time I have used one. The following is my understanding so far.
There are single color polarizing filters available ("Polacolor" red, blue or yellow). With a regular polarizer, the light that is polarized in a certain direction gets filtered out. With these colored polarizers, this light instead gets changed to the color of the filter. So when you have a light reflection off some object and you turn the filter a certain way, this reflection is now turned into the filter color. As a side effect, the filter also creates a slight overall color cast in the picture that needs to be corrected later.
I believe this red/blue polarizer is just a red and a blue polarizer mounted together at a (presumably 90 degree) offset. So depending on how you turn the filter, light polarized in one direction turns red and light polarized a different direction turns blue. And on top of this you also get an overall color cast. It's kind of difficult to predict what the filter is going to do and there is probably very limited use for these things.

mjork
29-Apr-2016, 18:47
One more from the same roll of film. Again with the Red/Blue polarizer, but a more subtle effect this time.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1700/26654544171_fb1a732948_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GBnvmp)

Fr. Mark
29-Apr-2016, 19:48
I will have to find some prints and post here. I was given a press camera a couple years ago and was so eager to use it, I set up to use bits of 35mm film in the 4x5 holders put in with electrical tape. I don't recommend electrical tape, too gooey. Pictures came out pretty well, though framing was hit/miss. Anyway, the first LF work I did other than paper neg pin hole work as a kid was with 35 mm strips in the press camera. Its evolved since then.

I like the color strips put up here recently. Pretty neat.