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chris_4622
28-Mar-2015, 07:31
Developing 5x7 I usually use home-made tubes, 3 sheets at a time. Sometimes I use tanks with hangers for stand development.
I am now using more WP and develop it in trays with good results but I don't like sitting in the dark shuffling. What method are WP users using to develop your film? I looked into tubes but it seems they have to be quite a bit bigger than the ones I use for 5x7.

Are there hangers I could use?
I would make new tanks. I have two types of hangers, one where the sheet slides in (5x7) a groove all the way around the film and the other is two clips on a bar with no frame around the film. Using those would leave the film exposed to damage from adjacent sheets.

thanks

Sal Santamaura
28-Mar-2015, 07:36
...What method are WP users using to develop your film?...Jobo 3005 Expert drum. A perfect match. In my experience, there's much less risk of handling problems with an Expert drum the chambers of which are a bit larger than what's "officially" recommended. Thus, I process both 5x7 and whole plate in the 3005, 8x10 in a 3004. Only 4x5 goes in my 3006.

David Karp
28-Mar-2015, 07:48
I also use a 3005. Agitation is on a Beseler roller base.

Roger Thoms
28-Mar-2015, 07:56
8x10 BTZS tubes with the same amount of chemistry as with 8x10 film.

Roger

vinny
28-Mar-2015, 08:30
I haven't seen hangers for this size but the companies who make xray hangers may make them for you.
Otherwise, I'd use a jobo.

Bob Mann
28-Mar-2015, 10:09
When I did whole plate I made plastic hangers to use in dip tanks.

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mdm
28-Mar-2015, 13:31
8x10 btzs tubes or a jobo 2830 print drum using the 5x7 slots, rotated on the sink if you can tolerate the occasional mishap.

StoneNYC
28-Mar-2015, 18:34
Jobo 3005 Expert drum. A perfect match. In my experience, there's much less risk of handling problems with an Expert drum the chambers of which are a bit larger than what's "officially" recommended. Thus, I process both 5x7 and whole plate in the 3005, 8x10 in a 3004. Only 4x5 goes in my 3006.

Sal,

I'm confused, 3005 is for 8x10 and 3004 is for some odd size right? 9x12 or something? And 3006 is for 5x7 and 3010 is for 4x5 so I'm confused about your choices for each, would you explain please?

Thanks!

Andrew O'Neill
28-Mar-2015, 18:40
Thank God Bob said whole plate. I would've had no idea what WP meant if he hadn't. Learn something new everyday!

StoneNYC
28-Mar-2015, 18:47
Thank God Bob said whole plate. I would've had no idea what WP meant if he hadn't. Learn something new everyday!

Yea I was confused how "Wet Plates" would fit in my 3005 JOBO tank... LOL

David Karp
28-Mar-2015, 19:24
3005 is for 5x7 also. WP is in between, so there you have it.

StoneNYC
28-Mar-2015, 19:53
3005 is for 5x7 also. WP is in between, so there you have it.

Well it's for 8x10 and under.... But if you don't know the tanks well, it can be confusing, and the way Sal was stating it, it made it sound like the OP needed a different tank which might be harder to come by than the actual tank size he/she might need.

I've also developed 4x5 in the 3005 tank.

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tgtaylor
28-Mar-2015, 20:19
Sal,

I'm confused, 3005 is for 8x10 and 3004 is for some odd size right? 9x12 or something? And 3006 is for 5x7 and 3010 is for 4x5 so I'm confused about your choices for each, would you explain please?

Thanks!

Jobo did make a 3004 Expert Drum. It holds 4 8.5x12, 8x10 or 5x7 film or prints requiring a min chemical volume of 270mL to 648mL. Looks similar to the 3005 except that it has 4 slots instead of 5.

Jobo also made the 3029 for 10x10; 3027 for 11x14; and 3028 for 16x20. With each the film was placed in an insert and then inserted into the drum for processing.

Thomas

Sal Santamaura
28-Mar-2015, 20:43
Jobo 3005 Expert drum. A perfect match. In my experience, there's much less risk of handling problems with an Expert drum the chambers of which are a bit larger than what's "officially" recommended. Thus, I process both 5x7 and whole plate in the 3005, 8x10 in a 3004. Only 4x5 goes in my 3006.


Sal,

I'm confused, 3005 is for 8x10 and 3004 is for some odd size right? 9x12 or something? And 3006 is for 5x7 and 3010 is for 4x5 so I'm confused about your choices for each, would you explain please?

Thanks!The key sentence in my post was


"In my experience, there's much less risk of handling problems with an Expert drum the chambers of which are a bit larger than what's "officially" recommended."

While Jobo 'rates' the 3006 for 5x7 and the 3005 for 8x10, one must curl those film sizes very tightly to fit them in the respective drum's chambers. This means that there's more chance sheets will overlap themselves (typically at a corner) during drum rotation and occasionally scratch themselves.

My practice has been to process nothing but 4x5 in the 3006, only 5x7 / whole plate in the 3005 and 8x10 exclusively in the 3004. Using those combinations, the chambers are of sufficiently large diameter that even if sheets shift during rotation, there's virtually no possibility they'll overlap themselves. I had some scratching before adopting this protocol; none since.

One of my regrets is failing to purchase additional 3004 drums before they were discontinued. Not to mention before prices for all Expert drums leaped skyward!

Sal Santamaura
28-Mar-2015, 20:53
...Jobo also made the 3029 for 10x10; 3027 for 11x14; and 3028 for 16x20. With each the film was placed in an insert and then inserted into the drum for processing...Jobo in Germany made the drums, but those inserts were fabricated and sold by Jobo Fototechnic in Ann Arbor Michigan, the then-American distributor. Both that distributor and the inserts are now extinct.

StoneNYC
28-Mar-2015, 21:26
Jobo did make a 3004 Expert Drum. It holds 4 8.5x12, 8x10 or 5x7 film or prints requiring a min chemical volume of 270mL to 648mL. Looks similar to the 3005 except that it has 4 slots instead of 5.

Jobo also made the 3029 for 10x10; 3027 for 11x14; and 3028 for 16x20. With each the film was placed in an insert and then inserted into the drum for processing.

Thomas

Wow thanks, good info!


The key sentence in my post was


"In my experience, there's much less risk of handling problems with an Expert drum the chambers of which are a bit larger than what's "officially" recommended."

While Jobo 'rates' the 3006 for 5x7 and the 3005 for 8x10, one must curl those film sizes very tightly to fit them in the respective drum's chambers. This means that there's more chance sheets will overlap themselves (typically at a corner) during drum rotation and occasionally scratch themselves.

My practice has been to process nothing but 4x5 in the 3006, only 5x7 / whole plate in the 3005 and 8x10 exclusively in the 3004. Using those combinations, the chambers are of sufficiently large diameter that even if sheets shift during rotation, there's virtually no possibility they'll overlap themselves. I had some scratching before adopting this protocol; none since.

One of my regrets is failing to purchase additional 3004 drums before they were discontinued. Not to mention before prices for all Expert drums leaped skyward!

My apologies Sal, I've never had that issue, but it's good to know it can happen, now what you said makes sense, sorry for not understanding. Thanks for explaining.

IanG
29-Mar-2015, 01:41
Whole plate hangers were quite common here in the UK, I saw half a dozen a few weeks ago with some WP DDS (film holders). The problem is that the Half and Whole plate film sizes were discontinued sometime in the 1970s and finding hangers is a bit hit & miss but they can be found with patience.

Ian

chris_4622
29-Mar-2015, 04:39
One of my regrets is failing to purchase additional 3004 drums before they were discontinued. Not to mention before prices for all Expert drums leaped skyward!

I checked on fleabay and couldn't find the 3005 price but if it's like some of the others, that might be out of my range for now.

Thanks for all the help. I made my film holders, I should be able to make some hangers and a couple of tanks.

mdarnton
29-Mar-2015, 05:15
Maybe OP should restart this question with a proper title so that all the people who didn't bother to open a wet plate thread can have their shot at it.

I was watching only because I wanted to hear how to bend glass to fit in tanks, too.

Sal Santamaura
29-Mar-2015, 08:50
Maybe OP should restart this question with a proper title so that all the people who didn't bother to open a wet plate thread...Why would anyone interpret a title that includes the word "film" as referring to glass plates?

StoneNYC
29-Mar-2015, 12:29
I checked on fleabay and couldn't find the 3005 price but if it's like some of the others, that might be out of my range for now.

Thanks for all the help. I made my film holders, I should be able to make some hangers and a couple of tanks.

They range from $300-$500 or so each.

I pay $250-$350 for mine, I'm cheap and patient.

I have no idea what they cost new, but I'm guessing less....?

Sal Santamaura
29-Mar-2015, 12:47
...I have no idea what they cost new, but I'm guessing less....?Years ago when I bought mine, 3005s were around $250 - $300. Today, $660:


http://www.freestylephoto.biz/3005-Jobo-Expert-Drum-5-Sheet-Developing-Tank

David Karp
29-Mar-2015, 13:45
I came to mine later than Sal did. I paid $200 for a used 3005 and the same amount for a used 3010.

Oren Grad
30-Mar-2015, 08:21
Late to this thread, but FWIW: I use 3004 and 3005 drums for WP. As Ian says, hangers for WP definitely exist, if that's the way one wants to go. They can be found here as well as in the UK - watch eBay.

Regular Rod
30-Mar-2015, 10:46
Whole Plate is my favourite format. Here's how I develop mine in daylight. http://freepdfhosting.com/f640343f29.pdf

Contrary to popular belief, the processors are still easily found and need not cost a fortune. It's a simple matter of putting a followed search on eBay and waiting a couple of weeks.

RR

Sal Santamaura
5-Apr-2016, 08:59
...My practice has been to process...8x10 exclusively in the 3004...the chambers are of sufficiently large diameter that even if sheets shift during rotation, there's virtually no possibility they'll overlap themselves. I had some scratching before adopting this protocol; none since.

One of my regrets is failing to purchase additional 3004 drums before they were discontinued. Not to mention before prices for all Expert drums leaped skyward!Persistence pays. I regularly perform searches using the quoted terms "Jobo 3004," hoping to find clean samples for sale. A couple of months ago, one result linked to a used equipment shop in Finland offering this drum. The page included a picture that appeared to show it was in pristine condition.

I emailed the shop, asking whether Google had directed me to an obsolete page or if it really had the 3004 available. The store manager promptly replied that, not only did they have the drum available, it was new old stock (NOS). And they had two! Needless to say, I jumped at this opportunity, especially since the price, even with EMS shipping, was $200 US less per drum than what new 3005s sell for now.

Within a week our letter carrier delivered the package. The two drums were indeed in brand new condition. They had been sitting on one or more shelves for a long time; their labels include the phrase "Made and printed in Federal Republic of Germany." In other words, these probably came out of the factory before German reunification!

Last week was my first opportunity to process film using the NOS drums. Everything functioned perfectly. I can develop 12 sheets of 8x10 in a day, leaving the drums and caps to thoroughly dry overnight, and do it all over again the next day. My Jobo equipment is now complete: (3) 3004s, (3) 3005s and (3) 3006s.

David Karp
5-Apr-2016, 18:31
Nice!

Randy Moe
5-Apr-2016, 21:06
Chris, I have 2 plastic WP hangers. I may have bought them from Bob Mann or somebody gave them to me. Clean and similar to Bob's.

I forget a lot...

Anyway, they are yours if you want to pick them up. I can ship if necessary.

LMK


When I did whole plate I made plastic hangers to use in dip tanks.

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Fr. Mark
5-Apr-2016, 21:21
what are the hangers made out of? Acrylic? Looks like something I could make and maybe use for a variety of sizes of film by making enough sizes. Might make going to double sided xray for ULF make sense...if ULF or WP makes sense...

Randy Moe
5-Apr-2016, 21:27
Not sure. But I saw plastic hangers for color film in a 70's Calumet Catalog. I'll look for that catalog tomorrow.


what are the hangers made out of? Acrylic? Looks like something I could make and maybe use for a variety of sizes of film by making enough sizes. Might make going to double sided xray for ULF make sense...if ULF or WP makes sense...

chris_4622
6-Apr-2016, 06:07
Thanks Randy, I would like to stop by for a visit soon...been so busy with non photo related stuff.

Bob Mann
6-Apr-2016, 07:00
what are the hangers made out of? Acrylic? Looks like something I could make and maybe use for a variety of sizes of film by making enough sizes. Might make going to double sided xray for ULF make sense...if ULF or WP makes sense...

These were made with Acrylic U channel pieces and flat stock glued together, drilled a few holes in the bottom U channel piece for drainage. Square piece at the top was to keep the film in the holder. I used them in a set of 8x10 dip tanks as long as I was "gentle" during processing I had no problems.

Randy Moe
6-Apr-2016, 07:09
Chris sounds good.

Thanks Bob Mann for refreshing my dusty memory.



what are the hangers made out of? Acrylic? Looks like something I could make and maybe use for a variety of sizes of film by making enough sizes. Might make going to double sided xray for ULF make sense...if ULF or WP makes sense...


Thanks Randy, I would like to stop by for a visit soon...been so busy with non photo related stuff.

Greg
6-Apr-2016, 07:38
Way I did to construct WP film holders was to carefully cut up 8x10 SS holders and trim the pieces to fit WP film. Then used J-B Weld to reconstruct the hangers. Not the prettiest construction but did work. Thought of using plastic channels available in a local Hobby store, but what they carried were just way too flimsily.

In retrospect should have taken the parts to a SS welder and paid to have the pieces welded together.

But in the end, found a JOBO tank at a reasonable cost and never looked back

Bill_1856
6-Apr-2016, 09:40
Tray development is still my drug of choice for sheet film. If it's good enough for Edward Weston, then it's good enough for me.