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John Kasaian
7-Mar-2015, 08:47
When the race line becomes blurred
http://sohorep.org/glossary-octoroon-photography

TXFZ1
7-Mar-2015, 09:09
Freed the slaves, what the heck! Next you will be trying to tell me we've landed on the moon!

David

Vaughn
7-Mar-2015, 09:14
Goes to show that there are probably no...or only very few...'pure-bred' whites in the South. Makes racism a bit silly.

Richard Wasserman
7-Mar-2015, 09:33
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.”

― Walter Scott

tgtaylor
7-Mar-2015, 10:16
Get educated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pla%C3%A7age. In New Orleans, at least, offspring of a mixed race marriage, which was legal in NO at the time, were considered "free people of color. See also Mulatto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto

Note: The original definition of Creole was without regard to race and was applied to the first generation of European decent (i.e., settler). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Creole_people

Thomas

Robert Opheim
7-Mar-2015, 12:09
The founding and populating of what is now the United States is much different than the common thought. From the early 1600's to the American Revolution is over 150 years. Of Europeans many arrived through Quebec - sometimes called the 14th colony. In Canada native brides were most of the women available. This may be true for other colonies. These marriages created children called "metis" (mixed). Early explorers, voyagers, and fur trappers/traders were out in the West where only native brides were available. Sadly photography wasn't around at that time. Photographs such as the ones post above provide evidence of our actual history. Photography has been an important tool to record and document, times and places - as they were (of course through the photographers eyes).

evan clarke
7-Mar-2015, 12:19
Racism is a tool,formthise who really run the economic worl to keep the people apart and take advantage of us..Some people have over $100 BILLION and still need more..Need a Chinese revolution.

Jac@stafford.net
7-Mar-2015, 12:36
The founding and populating of what is now the United States is much different than the common thought. From the early 1600's to the American Revolution is over 150 years. Of Europeans many arrived through Quebec - sometimes called the 14th colony. In Canada native brides were most of the women available. [...]

True! I'm glad you brought that up. It began in part with my greatest North American grandfather who sailed with Champlain and stayed on in what became Quebec. So I'm something like 1/100th part Native American. :)

Robert Opheim
7-Mar-2015, 13:31
I could be native American as well one my ancestor's arrived in the 1630's in Quebec after it was returned to France. My direct line left New France after the French and Indian War and were were fur trapper / traders in the Great Lakes area then moving South to St. Louis in the 1760's. I wish there were photographs!

Thom Bennett
7-Mar-2015, 15:44
New Orleans was the second city in North America to be introduced to photography, 1840, one year after Daguerre introduced his process. It was opened by Jules Lion, a freeman of color: http://knowla.org/entry/481/


Get educated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pla%C3%A7age. In New Orleans, at least, offspring of a mixed race marriage, which was legal in NO at the time, were considered "free people of color. See also Mulatto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto

Note: The original definition of Creole was without regard to race and was applied to the first generation of European decent (i.e., settler). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Creole_people

Thomas

Kirk Gittings
7-Mar-2015, 21:40
Goes to show that there are probably no...or only very few...'pure-bred' whites in the South. Makes racism a bit silly.

Alan Gales
7-Mar-2015, 22:39
Racism is a tool,formthise who really run the economic worl to keep the people apart and take advantage of us.

You got that right. The New World Order.

Racism is for fools.

tgtaylor
8-Mar-2015, 11:15
New Orleans was the second city in North America to be introduced to photography, 1840, one year after Daguerre introduced his process. It was opened by Jules Lion, a freeman of color: http://knowla.org/entry/481/

Great post Thom, it prompted me to reread sections of The Origins of American Photography, 1839-1885, where it states that the details of Daguerre’s working process announced by Arago in August of 1839 were first noted in the 23 September 1839 edition of the New York Evening Post and within days began appearing in other US newspapers as well.

Credit for the first American daguerreotype goes to D. W. Seager, an English-born physician, who produced an architectural view of New York on the 26th or 27th of September 1839.

The world’s first commercial daguerreotype studio was opened in New York by Alexander S. Wolcott and John Johnson in 1840. The pair is also credited with the first photographic patent in the US – for Wolcott’s mirror camera design, granted on 8 May 1840 – and laid the groundwork for an international network of businesses. For their new design they collaborated with Henry Fitz, Jr., a skilled telescope maker, to replace their original camera with a larger model that had a 7-inch mirror. This improved light-gathering ability allowed them to cut exposure times to 3 to 5 minutes and to make larger plates (about 2 x 2.5 inches).

Thomas