Anyone knows Velner Soft Focus lens?

[pierre506]

Just got three blur pictures of the lens.
121740
121741
121742

Couldn't find any data about the lens on VM and google.
It's No.3 and 9 in lens.

Thanks~

[pierre506]

Wanna know anything about it~

[Geoffrey_5995]

I have one and from what I remember it is a Verito type. I'll try to dig it out and look at the lens configuration. It should be two plus one.

[pierre506]

I have one and from what I remember it is a Verito type. I'll try to dig it out and look at the lens configuration. It should be two plus one.

The brand had certain quantity products according to its serial number.
However, there's almost no trace to follow it.

[pierre506]

Got the lens.
The whole engraving：
“Velner” Soft Focus Lens Ser.1 No.3 1:4.5 F=9 in
Compared with WOLLENSAK VERITO f-4 DIFFUSED FOCUS 8 3/4”
Left is Wolly.
121997
Wolly is higher.
121998
Front view~
121999
Rear view~

[pierre506]

122000
Front Groups~
The diameter and thead are same.

122001
Different Rear Groups~
Actually Wolly rear glass is much more thicker than Velner's, although it seems that Wolly rear group is thiner than Velner's.

That's my checking results.

[goamules]

Hey, thanks for showing this. I'd say it's so uncommon as to be unknown.

[Tracy Storer]

I wonder whether it was manufactured by someone bigger, (Wollensak, B&L, etc.) and badged Velner as a vanity brand?

[jnantz]

verito type lenses are based on an ultra fast rapid rectalinaer design
which from what i can remember means like the verito
they the same configuration front and back (( | ))
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rapid_rectilinear.svg

if the rear groups are different between the wolly and your lens
it probably isn't the same sort of lens but might have an extra piece
of glass / airspace or something else going on in there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design
might help you figure it out a little bit ...

good luck !
john

[BarryS]

verito type lenses are based on an ultra fast rapid rectalinaer design
which from what i can remember means like the verito
they the same configuration front and back (( | ))
...

The Verito has a cemented doublet in the rear and a simple positive meniscus in the front. The positive meniscus shortens the focal length, and more importantly--increases the speed of the lens.

[Louis Pacilla]

verito type lenses are based on an ultra fast rapid rectalinaer design
which from what i can remember means like the verito
they the same configuration front and back (( | ))
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rapid_rectilinear.svg

if the rear groups are different between the wolly and your lens
it probably isn't the same sort of lens but might have an extra piece
of glass / airspace or something else going on in there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design
might help you figure it out a little bit ...

good luck !
john

Hey John

The Verito Is NOT actually a ultra fast Rapid Rectilinear design but rather a rear achromatic glued Pair w/ the front being a modifying element (single element) to decrease the FL when used combined. It was designed by Bodine as the Bodine Pictorial lens & then Wollensak bought both the designer and the design. Wollensak made some changes to the design by increasing the speed and making corrections for so called double lines and other flaws of the earlier Bodine lens design .

The Hyperion is f4 rapid rectilinear design w/ a 2 glued fr + 2 glued rear of unequal FL w/ exception of the 18" w/ is equal FL(36"each).

[pierre506]

Thank you all.
I checked the 2 rear glasses.
The reflections are almost same. I believe they are same structure but VERITO is THICKER than velner.

[jnantz]

Hey John

The Verito Is NOT actually a ultra fast Rapid Rectilinear design but rather a rear achromatic glued Pair w/ the front being a modifying element (single element) to decrease the FL when used combined. It was designed by Bodine as the Bodine Pictorial lens & then Wollensak bought both the designer and the design. Wollensak made some changes to the design by increasing the speed and making corrections for so called double lines and other flaws of the earlier Bodine lens design .

The Hyperion is f4 rapid rectilinear design w/ a 2 glued fr + 2 glued rear of unequal FL w/ exception of the 18" w/ is equal FL(36"each).

cool
thanks for that ...
i have both a verito and a few veritars, and i know a veritar is
a choked down verito, and while i was typing out the post before
i saw the lens diagram for a veritar with a single element in front and double element in the rear
and i realized
after i posted it i was >> probably wrong ( and couldn't edit it )

thanks for correcting me !


john

[pierre506]

cool
thanks for that ...
i have both a verito and a few veritars, and i know a veritar is
a choked down verito, and while i was typing out the post before
i saw the lens diagram for a veritar with a single element in front and double element in the rear
and i realized
after i posted it i was >> probably wrong ( and couldn't edit it )

thanks for correcting me !


john
Yep, the Velner has single glass almost same as Verito.

[LarryPH]

I have one marked Ser.1 No.3 1:4.5 F=9" but instead of Velner it reads "Arser Soft Focus Lens" with a serial #19293. This lens must have been made for several distributors, but do we know what company actually manufactured it? Quality seems very good.

[pierre506]

I have one marked Ser.1 No.3 1:4.5 F=9" but instead of Velner it reads "Arser Soft Focus Lens" with a serial #19293. This lens must have been made for several distributors, but do we know what company actually manufactured it? Quality seems very good.
Let's see the pictures.