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jcoldslabs
1-Sep-2014, 19:01
Sorry to start off this month with my ugly mug, but it was done in the interest of photo science! Still on a quest to shoot the oldest film I can find, I shot this (with my wife operating the Galli shutter) on 8x10 Ansco Plenachrome that expired in 1948. There was some edge fogging and a few emulsion irregularities that I removed in Photoshop, but otherwise the film has fared pretty well. Unfortunately, the focus is off a tad and I moved a tiny bit during the two second exposure. The film is orthochromatic but did not seem to render skin tones as dark as I might have expected, although I am one pale specimen.

Century 10A, 12" f/4.5 Ektar, 8x10 Ansco Plenachrome (expired 1948).


http://www.kolstad.us/ebay/8x10-Plenachrome1948-12inEktar-C10A-SP01.jpg



And here is the data sheet from the box of film:

http://www.kolstad.us/ebay/Ansco_Plenachrome_Data_Sheet.jpg

Jonathan

Corran
1-Sep-2014, 23:38
Nice, I like the framing. You should copy+flip the top of that onto the bottom to put yourself in a "frame" :).

SergeiR
2-Sep-2014, 06:11
Sort of environmental portrait, i guess ;)
Snuck in on me wife , while she was patiently waiting for me to finish dorking with landscape shots

8x10 Arista, 8x10 Gundlach Radar

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3838/14925380279_39d0756352_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oJUtyK)Scan-140901-0003www (https://flic.kr/p/oJUtyK) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

alex from holland
2-Sep-2014, 13:41
http://www.pbase.com/alex28/image/157181364.jpg

Jimmy Nelson

26x26cm black glass ambrotype
Exposure time 6 seconds
Dallmeyer 3a at f4

More about this shoot on:
http://www.collodion-art.blogspot.nl...my-nelson.html

richardman
3-Sep-2014, 04:06
LF Selfie thread? XD

My Cooke PS945 came in! Since my wife is away for a few days so I have no model. So I tested it with a selfie :-)

I tested it with F4.5 also but I didn't realize the Copal shutter does not like "in-between" shutter speed :-[

The "5" fingers is a reminder that it's F5.6 :-)

Developed in Bluegrass authentic Harvey 777.

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140903-Scanned-469.jpg

Peter De Smidt
3-Sep-2014, 04:30
That's an intense portrait, Alex!

Alessandro Bocchi
3-Sep-2014, 05:02
Lendinara (RO) Italy - Series of portrait with rabbit during the end of summer Bunny Party. This is the portrait of Luca from Treviso and the rabbit is Oscar.

- Camera: TOYO-FIELD 45 AII L (Linhof)
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 15 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5565/15104136446_789ecf8048_b.jpg

ndg
3-Sep-2014, 07:36
"Without Expression" - an Oil Print
http://nanadadzie.com/darkroom/pix/Expression.jpg

The Oil Printing Process was the precursor to the Bromoil process.
This one is on fixed out 11x14 Ilford 300 paper.
The ink is Graphic Chemical Black Litho ink
Negative made on 11x14 Ortho Green Xray film with Verito 18" lens
Developed in Rodinal with Jobo

RHITMrB
3-Sep-2014, 08:03
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/14942060287_d57d5bbd98_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oLnXX6)
Ben & Lianna (https://flic.kr/p/oLnXX6) by Isaac Sachs (https://www.flickr.com/people/40786724@N00/), on Flickr

My friend convinced me to bring the 4x5 to his wedding on Lake Superior.

BennehBoy
3-Sep-2014, 12:20
Speed Graphic 4x5 160s, digibase c41 in ATL 1500.

Chemistry a bit tired, and rangefinder off on the the SG :(

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3845/14944126199_e5a267fe93_b.jpg

richardman
3-Sep-2014, 16:50
For the https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits Project, Carolyn as the Red Sith. I actually took the casual photo also, so I will be posting the final pairing within a day or so.

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140903-Scanned-473.jpg


BONUS photo! She didn't bring the right adhesive remover and ...makeup malfunction!


http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140903-Scanned-476.jpg

saturnus
4-Sep-2014, 15:21
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matthew blais
4-Sep-2014, 19:25
Very cool ndg

Frank_E
4-Sep-2014, 19:32
Speed Graphic 4x5 160s, digibase c41 in ATL 1500.

Chemistry a bit tired, and rangefinder off on the the SG :(



but a wonderful portrait nonetheless

BennehBoy
4-Sep-2014, 23:21
but a wonderful portrait nonetheless

Thank you.

Bill Christian
5-Sep-2014, 12:25
Kamila is visiting from Prague. I got some photos of her yesterday. After getting advice last week on this forum, I have a longer lens on order but it didn't arrive in time, so I either used 250mm or 305mm. While I want to practice my classical Hollywood style I ended up just using my hot lights as props and hair lights later in the session.

http://largesense.com/files/5614/0994/3242/Kamila_LightsPose_1024.jpg

The hand is smaller than the face, but not quite as small as I'd like:
http://largesense.com/files/2314/0994/3241/FaceCloseUP_1024.jpg

Toning in AS Exposure 6:
http://largesense.com/files/2214/0994/3242/Kamila_LightsPoseSepia_1024.jpg

Model: Kamila from Prague
Camera: LargeSense LS911 Pre Production Camera
Forgot which lens, 250mm or 305mm.
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Photo Taken: Sept. 4, 2014 Santa Clara, CA, USA
Copyright LargeSense LLC
http://largesense.com
All rights reserved

richardman
6-Sep-2014, 16:42
For the https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits Project

Ta dum dum!

Don't have time to work on the writeup and quotes yet but feast of this lovely pairing of images of Carolyn / Red Sith!


http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140906-Scanned-491.jpg

ghostcount
6-Sep-2014, 23:51
Kamila is visiting from Prague. I got some photos of her yesterday. After getting advice last week on this forum, I have a longer lens on order but it didn't arrive in time, so I either used 250mm or 305mm. While I want to practice my classical Hollywood style I ended up just using my hot lights as props and hair lights later in the session.

http://largesense.com/files/5614/0994/3242/Kamila_LightsPose_1024.jpg

The hand is smaller than the face, but not quite as small as I'd like:
http://largesense.com/files/2314/0994/3241/FaceCloseUP_1024.jpg

Toning in AS Exposure 6:
http://largesense.com/files/2214/0994/3242/Kamila_LightsPoseSepia_1024.jpg

Model: Kamila from Prague
Camera: LargeSense LS911 Pre Production Camera
Forgot which lens, 250mm or 305mm.
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Photo Taken: Sept. 4, 2014 Santa Clara, CA, USA
Copyright LargeSense LLC
http://largesense.com
All rights reserved

I'm intrigue by this camera. What movements does it offer? I know the digital back will be too big to mount to existing 8x10 cameras but will there be provisions to adapt to an 11x14?

Wonderful shots of Kamila from Prague.

Bill Christian
7-Sep-2014, 07:53
You can do full movements, at least for front movements. If the digital back and the lens are on different tripods then rear movement would be possible. I don't see any issue with the angle of light that might be affecting some medium format backs. There's no CFA, no AA and no micro lenses to distort the image.

I tried to show some front tilt and swing: http://largesense.com/blog/2014/08/tilt-and-swing-example/

While the sensor will be smaller than 11x14 I don't think it will be practical to have it fit onto a film back, since it will be too heavy to be held by rear of a film camera. My plan is the bellows would be adapted to fit a specific front and then going into the digital rear. Right now I have it using Sinar.

Thanks for the photo comments.

Bill


I'm intrigue by this camera. What movements does it offer? I know the digital back will be too big to mount to existing 8x10 cameras but will there be provisions to adapt to an 11x14?

Wonderful shots of Kamila from Prague.

SergeiR
7-Sep-2014, 15:32
8x10, 360mm Symmar-S

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3862/15171675592_32f8bd581d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p7ENzE)Scan-140907-0005www (https://flic.kr/p/p7ENzE) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

NiNo
8-Sep-2014, 01:10
kodak blue x-ray 13x18

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SergeiR
8-Sep-2014, 05:51
8x10 Arista 100 (i am so not liking this batch… ), Gundlach Radar

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3864/15174144795_9177d12541_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p7TsA8)Scan-140907-0007www (https://flic.kr/p/p7TsA8) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

kansasjhawk
8-Sep-2014, 12:34
Toya 45A Portra 160

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rcmartins
8-Sep-2014, 13:57
A photo I took of my eldest son yesterday.
Comments and critiques are welcome.
raul

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12493426/Cham_NS160_Miguel.jpg
Chamonix 45, Fuji NS160, Schneider Symmar-S 210, AlienBees single light
Development, Tetenal 5l kit, Jobo CPA2
Digitalization, V750, SilverFast 8

ghostcount
8-Sep-2014, 14:06
A photo I took of my eldest son yesterday.
Comments and critiques are welcome.
raul

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12493426/Cham_NS160_Miguel.jpg
Chamonix 45, Fuji NS160, Schneider Symmar-S 210, AlienBees single light
Development, Tetenal 5l kit, Jobo CPA2
Digitalization, V750, SilverFast 8

Nice hard loop lighting.

Perhaps next time try to move the face or light to get some specular in both eyes.

rcmartins
8-Sep-2014, 14:17
Nice hard loop lighting.

Perhaps next time try to move the face or light to get some specular in both eyes.

Thank you for the comment. You are right, the right eye could have more sparkle.
raul

richardman
8-Sep-2014, 15:02
The Cooke PS945 is now my most favorite lens for any format ever, and I have owned a few good Leica glass in my life...

HP5+ in Harvey 777

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140907-Scanned-492.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
8-Sep-2014, 15:33
Lendinara (RO) Italy - Series of portrait with rabbit during the end of summer Bunny Party. This is the portrait of Cristina from Padova and the dog is Sushi.

- Camera: TOYO-FIELD 45 AII L (Linhof)
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 15 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3903/15127561681_89ef86cfaf_b.jpg

kansasjhawk
8-Sep-2014, 19:11
Toyo 45A
Portra 160
Schneider 210mm f/5.6 @ f16
Epson V750

One version color and another converted to B&W.


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alex from holland
9-Sep-2014, 01:39
The Image maker
26x26cm Black glass ambrotype
exposure time 6 seconds
Dallmeyer 3a at f4

http://upload.pbase.com/image/157310903/original.jpg

M.Lange
9-Sep-2014, 09:10
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Scan contact 13x18 sinar Norma

ghostcount
9-Sep-2014, 09:40
The Image maker
26x26cm Black glass ambrotype
exposure time 6 seconds
Dallmeyer 3a at f4

http://upload.pbase.com/image/157310903/original.jpg

Very creative Alex.

jcoldslabs
9-Sep-2014, 09:45
My least favorite model, but no one else was available....

Century 10A 8x10, 15" f/4 B&L projection Petzval, Ansco Plenachrome (expired 1948).


http://www.kolstad.us/ebay/8x10-Plenachrome1948-15inBLPetzval-SP01a.jpg

Jonathan

ghostcount
9-Sep-2014, 10:25
My least favorite model, but no one else was available....

Century 10A 8x10, 15" f/4 B&L projection Petzval, Ansco Plenachrome (expired 1948).


http://www.kolstad.us/ebay/8x10-Plenachrome1948-15inBLPetzval-SP01a.jpg

Jonathan

Jonathan,

You are a spitting image of a forum member that sells lots of brass lens. Nicely done.

jcoldslabs
9-Sep-2014, 10:46
You are a spitting image of a forum member that sells lots of brass lens. Nicely done.

If you mean Mr. Gunks, I wish I had his collection of lenses either to sell or use! And I should add this shot was made possible with the help of my wife. She is getting adept at holding a dark slide in front of the lens with one hand while pulling the dark slide from the holder with another, making the two second exposure, recovering the lens and putting the dark slide back in. She gets at least half the credit.

J.

Dirk Rösler
9-Sep-2014, 23:56
121565
Scan contact 13x18 sinar Norma

Very good with lots of "feel". Hope he likes his portrait.

polyglot
10-Sep-2014, 03:11
The Image maker
26x26cm Black glass ambrotype
exposure time 6 seconds
Dallmeyer 3a at f4

http://upload.pbase.com/image/157310903/original.jpg

That's wonderful.

richardman
10-Sep-2014, 13:09
9/8/2014 was also the 15th of the 8th month in the Chinese calendar, meaning that it's the Mid-Autumn Festival where mooncakes are consumed. Legend has it that the rebels coordinated their attacks by stuffing messages in the mooncakes in their overthrow of the Mongol invaders so there's a history lesson there too ("don't teach the peasants how to read").

Anyway, it's also one of the "Super Moon" which of course is meaningless on a single photo unless photoshop is employed, but enough digression: I asked them to "look epic," and this is what they did. Epicness achieved?

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140909-Scanned-496.jpg

Jim Galli
10-Sep-2014, 14:02
Jonathan,

You are a spitting image of a forum member that sells lots of brass lens. Nicely done.

This doesn't look anything like me. Lucky for Jonathan.

Great film. I think Ansco was probably light years ahead of Kodak in their film technology and had to be set aside so that film could begin to have a "shelf date". I have ansco products in our company archives from this era both color transparency and b&w that seem superior to me than Kodak. Especially the chromes. They're like Kodachrome. No color shift after 65 years, AT ALL! And the B&W negs are similar to the Panatomic X aerial film that I shoot. Clear like a window and very thin.

I also have a box of Gaevert silver chloride paper from 1964 - ish that is still perfect for the contact prints.

benrains
10-Sep-2014, 16:16
London based photographer Selina Mayer.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3876/15198671335_8cf81c3785_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pa4atv)
selina (https://flic.kr/p/pa4atv) by Ben Rains (https://www.flickr.com/people/8376113@N07/), on Flickr

Century Studio 10A w/8x10 back
Wollensak Vesta 14"/5
Ilford HP5 Plus / Adonal 1+50

jcoldslabs
10-Sep-2014, 18:21
I think Ansco was probably light years ahead of Kodak in their film technology....

I agree. I've only been able to shoot long-expired Ansco films (obviously), but they have held up as well as if not better than Kodak films, whereas the old DuPont/Defender stuff I have is worthless.



London based photographer Selina Mayer.

Excellent, Ben.

Jonathan

Greg Y
10-Sep-2014, 19:49
Beautiful! I love the subdued tones in a world bombarded with HD ;-)

SergeiR
10-Sep-2014, 21:32
8x10 Kodak CSG , 360mm Heliar

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/15201615551_9f46a2beba_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pajfFR)Scan-140910-0002www (https://flic.kr/p/pajfFR) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

Jim Galli
10-Sep-2014, 22:05
8x10 Kodak CSG , 360mm Heliar

The Heliar on 8X10 is to photography what a 427 cubic inch engine is to a '64 Ford Fairlane "Thunderbolt".

Brute Force.

andre
11-Sep-2014, 02:39
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3900/15015506658_b35c3da29d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ)Raďssa, for real this time (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ) by Andre Mueller (https://www.flickr.com/people/50674652@N06/), on Flickr

richardman
11-Sep-2014, 03:00
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?



Andre, there is no "right" way of making an image. If you wonder about whether contrast can make a difference and if you are making darkroom prints, I'd recommend just trying out different things using Photoshop or the like, even on the small JPG and see whether it is more effective in your eyes. If so, then you can print it out in the darkroom to that vision.

In my eyes, I would leave the contrast more or less alone, but print enough so that there is more black, of course that is assuming a silver gelatin print and does not apply to if you are making a Pt/Pd print.

richardman
11-Sep-2014, 03:04
Again for the https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits project. The photo on the left (dressed up as an "Elegant Gothic Lolita") was taken in Jan 2014, and finally got a good "casual" image. Even though Ari is my daughter, she goes to school on the different side of the country and we have not seen her since January!


http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140910-Scanned-504.jpg

mdarnton
11-Sep-2014, 04:22
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?

I've been following you on flickr, and wondering if your screen is calibrated. To me they all look just a bit short on overall contrast., mostly pushing down into the dark end. In he example above, I don't see anything in the picture that's as dark as the border. I don't think you need a lot, but they seem to be missing a deeper sparkle that I'd like to see. The bright areas are fine. This feeling goes way back in your work, and includes the color, too, which is why I was thinking maybe there was a monitor issue. If there might be one, here's what I do--I look at my work on every computer I can get my hands on--those at work, my phone, tablet, etc. and play with the photos until I find something that looks as much like I want people to see as much of the time as possible.

I love lots of shadow detail, which you have, but I do hold to the old-school idea that there should be at least both a noticable amount of pure black (not obscuring anything, however) and a tiny sliver of pure white in every photo, except when there is a good reason not to do it that way. . . . which shouldn't be the case every time.

When you're working digitally, try opening the levels dialog when you think you're done and sliding the dark end slider all the way over into the light to see when the last dark spots disappear, then go back to the normal view, find those spots with the eyedropper and read their density. I suspect you're around 20-25 now, and if you don't want a pure black, I think you at least need to be closer to zero than you are.

That's my opinion, anyway. I started following you some weeks ago, so for what it's worth, this issue hasn't been ruining my enjoyment of your work. :-)

Looking back on your flickr stuff, this has always been a tendency in your work, but it seems to have gotten stronger, going over the edge for me, near the end of May. Did you change computers around then?

SergeiR
11-Sep-2014, 04:40
The Heliar on 8X10 is to photography what a 427 cubic inch engine is to a '64 Ford Fairlane "Thunderbolt".

Brute Force.
:) yup. It almost feel like cheating sometime.

Dirk Rösler
11-Sep-2014, 06:25
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?

It's a great image IMO and should be left as-is.

Whether it should look different is up to what you are trying to express, not to conform with a "This is how great images should look like"-specification (which BTW doesn't exist :o).

Of course one can always do sharper, less sharp, more contrast, more tones, more saturation... but what's the point?

Jim Jones
11-Sep-2014, 06:35
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3900/15015506658_b35c3da29d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ)Raďssa, for real this time (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ) by Andre Mueller (https://www.flickr.com/people/50674652@N06/), on Flickr

It'a a fine photo as is. Consider cropping out the light area at the bottom. I agree with richardman and mdarton. However, that is my personal preference. An image can be a classroom example of fine photography, or it can be the best possible interpretation of the subject. We can only analyze the photographic qualities, not the more important interpretation. As Dirk suggests, it's your photo, not ours. You obviously have good vision.

Peter Lewin
11-Sep-2014, 06:56
Andre: Its a beautiful image, and most responses to your question stress that the decision on contrast is yours to make. I simply can't resist an anecdote. I belong to a local group called the NJ Photographer's Forum, whose members range from talented hobbyists to quite a few professionals. While many do commercial work, the thrust of the group is finding exhibition opportunities, and at the monthly meetings we compare our most recent images. One photographer, who happens to do primarily large format work, loves lower contrast; his critique usually includes a suggestion that the work (virtually any work!) would look better with less contrast. And immediately a number of other photographers protest. The point is that once a work is technically competent (and yours certainly is), the judgment decisions don't have a "right answer," the person printing the image has to make it look good to themselves.

Ari
11-Sep-2014, 07:19
Andre, it's a really lovely image; nothing is missing, to my eye. The contrast range really suits the subject and adds to the mood.
I almost never crop, so my suggestion would be, if you don't like the small bright patch at the bottom, burn it in a little.
If you scanned the image and use Lightroom, this should be a pinch.

mdarnton
11-Sep-2014, 07:27
I'm going to guess that supportive "it's your picture, do what you want" answers are not what Andre is looking for. He wouldn't have asked for people's opinions if he was sure he was doing the right thing. I suspect he's looking for honest opinions, not reinforcement.

Ari
11-Sep-2014, 07:39
I'm going to guess that supportive "it's your picture, do what you want" answers are not what Andre is looking for. He wouldn't have asked for people's opinions if he was sure he was doing the right thing. I suspect he's looking for honest opinions, not reinforcement.

Yes, true; but saying, objectively, that it's hard to find fault with the photo might lead him to find out why he thinks that something is missing, and then go look for it.

andre
11-Sep-2014, 12:17
You'll know that your making my day, right?
Thank you!!

Micheal, thank you so much for taking a look! Yes, my monitor has changed (for the worse) and I've never calibrated any of them.
And I agree, I'm missing a bit of a dark edge as a reference for the highlights.
I'll keep looking for it!
I'm in awe of your compositions and tonality by the way. Had to be sad...

Ken Lee
11-Sep-2014, 14:34
Could I ask for some critique here?
I'm very happy with the image but I feel like something is missing.

What do you think about the contrast? Should it be higher?

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3900/15015506658_b35c3da29d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ)Raďssa, for real this time (https://flic.kr/p/oSSoZQ) by Andre Mueller (https://www.flickr.com/people/50674652@N06/), on Flickr



http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/adj.jpg

One suggestion is to remove the film edge and replace it with a white border: this will automatically make the dark values feel deeper.

Another step is a minor curves adjustment (to darken the low values very slightly). This adds a bit of clarity: almost like sharpening, but keeps the softness.

A slight crop removes the white area on the shirt as already suggested - and brings the subject to a more comfortable distance.

Finally, a mild burning-in of the high values on the subject's shoulder softens a potentially distracting element and brings emphasis to the face and hands.

D-tach
11-Sep-2014, 16:10
One suggestion is to remove the film edge and replace it with a white border: this will automatically make the dark values feel deeper.

Another step is a minor curves adjustment (to darken the low values very slightly). This adds a bit of clarity: almost like sharpening, but keeps the softness.

A slight crop removes the white area on the shirt as already suggested - and brings the subject to a more comfortable distance.

Finally, a mild burning-in of the high values on the subject's shoulder softens a potentially distracting element and brings emphasis to the face and hands.

Ken, a perfect adjustment - she jumps out of the background now. A beautiful image Andre!

andre
12-Sep-2014, 08:09
Ken, thank you !! :)

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 10:15
I tried again to take photos in the Hollywood style. I got a longer lens, 21 inches, but I used a $60 Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical lens, which was about 250mm, too wide for close up but I like the look. The 21 inch lens is too large for my IR blocking filter.

http://largesense.com/files/7214/1054/0885/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellVertical_1024.jpg

http://largesense.com/files/6714/1054/0884/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellHorizontal_1024.jpg

Model: Corrie J
Camera: LargeSense LS911 Pre Production Camera
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical 8x10 (about 250mm focal lenth)
Photo Taken: Sept. 11, 2014 Santa Clara, CA, USA
Copyright LargeSense LLC
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All rights reserved

http://largesense.com/files/8714/1053/9059/Bausch__Lomb_Extra_Rapid_Symmetrical_8x10.jpg

Peter_Jones
12-Sep-2014, 11:47
I tried again to take photos in the Hollywood style. I got a longer lens, 21 inches, but I used a $60 Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical lens, which was about 250mm, too wide for close up but I like the look. The 21 inch lens is too large for my IR blocking filter.

http://largesense.com/files/7214/1054/0885/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellVertical_1024.jpg


That is scary sharp ! She almost jumped out of my monitor !

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 12:14
It is one of my few photos with both eyes mostly in focus. The camera is sharp when stopped down and more directly lighting since there is no AA, no micro lenses and no CFA. The photos was sharpened though.

Bill


That is scary sharp ! She almost jumped out of my monitor !

Ari
12-Sep-2014, 13:20
Still, the detail recorded is impressive, Bill; keep up the amazing work.

VictoriaPerelet
12-Sep-2014, 13:38
It is one of my few photos with both eyes mostly in focus. The camera is sharp when stopped down and more directly lighting since there is no AA, no micro lenses and no CFA. The photos was sharpened though.

Bill

Why your camera leaves only Adobe Photshop tags left in JPEG header? Joint development?:cool:

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 13:56
The camera doesn't make EXIF tags yet. I need to set that up. But once it does it will say things like "Camera Maker: LargeSense
Camera Model: LS911".

I do my final edit in CS2 and save.

Bill


Why your camera leaves only Adobe Photshop tags left in JPEG header? Joint development?:cool:

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 14:03
Ari,

Thanks!

Looking at this photo I feel that the IR effect makes the image look more detailed, as compared with the IR blocked one. The tungsten lights put out a lot of IR, so much that the model gets hot. But there was air conditioning for these photos.

Bill


Still, the detail recorded is impressive, Bill; keep up the amazing work.

richardman
12-Sep-2014, 14:24
No AA will make the image MUCH sharper, the dSLR makers know that. Bill, may I suggest the Roger Hicks book on "Hollywood Lighting"? Hollywood Lighting generally has deep shadow, softening glows, etc.

richardman
12-Sep-2014, 14:25
The non-IR blocking is great for skin blemishes as they don't show up. OTOH, have to watch out for the somewhat unnatural look of the lips etc.

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 14:33
Hi Richard,

I noticed that her face was rather smooth. I didn't retouch that.

I'm thinking also the large pixels and the large format lens bring in more stress free detail. As compared to a small lens and small pixels. I bought a Japanese SF lens but it doesn't have the old style glow, and it's not soft, it just makes weird halos sometimes.

I have the book "Hollywood Portraits" do you mean that one? I'm not an expert yet on Hollywood lighting but I'm getting better.

Bill



No AA will make the image MUCH sharper, the dSLR makers know that. Bill, may I suggest the Roger Hicks book on "Hollywood Lighting"? Hollywood Lighting generally has deep shadow, softening glows, etc.

lenser
12-Sep-2014, 14:50
Bill, You may have been going for Jean Harlow, but you found Lon Chaney, Sr. Love the model and the set up of the scene, but that lighting is scary plus. The second image is lovely.


I tried again to take photos in the Hollywood style. I got a longer lens, 21 inches, but I used a $60 Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical lens, which was about 250mm, too wide for close up but I like the look. The 21 inch lens is too large for my IR blocking filter.

http://largesense.com/files/7214/1054/0885/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellVertical_1024.jpg

http://largesense.com/files/6714/1054/0884/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellHorizontal_1024.jpg

Model: Corrie J
Camera: LargeSense LS911 Pre Production Camera
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical 8x10 (about 250mm focal lenth)
Photo Taken: Sept. 11, 2014 Santa Clara, CA, USA
Copyright LargeSense LLC
http://largesense.com
All rights reserved

http://largesense.com/files/8714/1053/9059/Bausch__Lomb_Extra_Rapid_Symmetrical_8x10.jpg

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 14:59
Tim,

Thanks. I looked up Lon Chaney photos and some are a bit scary. I was trying to copy an image in my book "Hollywood Portraits". I'm still a hot light newbie, I'm usually more into natural light with some modification.

Bill


Bill, You may have been going for Jean Harlow, but you found Lon Chaney, Sr. Love the model and the set up of the scene, but that lighting is scary plus. The second image is lovely.

lenser
12-Sep-2014, 15:36
It's the disturbing light position. Hurrell almost always used hot lights, usually spots from overhead and into the face (as well as fill and kickers) for glamor while nearly all of the great horror films and many of the stills and portraits of those actors were lit from below which hugely distorts the features (like the weird shadows on the flair of her nose) and looks terribly threatening and grotesque. Not saying that you did anything out of place if that was your intent, but it is anything but glamorous. That's a good book, by the way, but there are also quite a few tremendous books on Hurrell's work and another terrific one on several of the great portrait shooters in Hollywood...John Kobal's "Art of the Great Hollywood Portrait Photographers".

VictoriaPerelet
12-Sep-2014, 18:05
The camera doesn't make EXIF tags yet. I need to set that up. But once it does it will say things like "Camera Maker: LargeSense
Camera Model: LS911".

I do my final edit in CS2 and save.

Bill

I presume we all will get to see out of camera images at same time as camera itself?

Untill then Photoshop blur mask layer and selective sharpening is all that potential camera buyers will get to see?

8x10 ccd will cost about cruise ship price to manufacture by Sony, Phillips and likes. I think we all LF protographers should be putting our beach side villa's and Ferraris on the market:rolleyes:

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 18:42
The blur is a natural lens effect in the photos. Sharpening is added.

There is currently no "out of the camera" look, I'm still working on making an out of the camera look. Editing the sample photos gives me an idea of what the goal should be and where to set the exposure levels and curves. The out of the sensor image is a flat file that needs processing.

When the camera is more ready I will have full size less processed images.

The price of the camera won't be cheap, but it will be as affordable as possible. I don't expect many sales but there should be a few. It is a CMOS instead of CCD.

Bill


I presume we all will get to see out of camera images at same time as camera itself?

Untill then Photoshop blur mask layer and selective sharpening is all that potential camera buyers will get to see?

8x10 ccd will cost about cruise ship price to manufacture by Sony, Phillips and likes. I think we all LF protographers should be putting our beach side villa's and Ferraris on the market:rolleyes:

VictoriaPerelet
12-Sep-2014, 19:08
.... It is a CMOS instead of CCD. ...


Well, Bill. World largest CMOS sensor is 202x205mm:

http://www.canon.com/technology/approach/special/cmos.html

So, I think, you either present scan from your Guinness book certificate

Or moderators should probaly review nature of commercial postings of digital images from unknown origin

I do not think that unknown origin or fantasy cameras are approved by forum rules discussed in this recent thread:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?116002-Request-clarification-of-large-format

Here's clarification of current rules:
For the purposes of this forum, we define "large format" as being essentially 4x5, or larger, sheet film. We do, however, allow what would otherwise be considered "medium format" sizes, IF exposed in a view camera (e.g. with a roll-film adapter), technical, or old-style press camera (e.g. the various Graphic cameras).

From:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_gen_rules_faq_item

mdarnton
12-Sep-2014, 19:20
I need to see that section in the forum rules. Reference, please?

It seems to me that a few people in various threads where this new camera is mentioned have gotten themselves all worked up simply because Bill has a secret he wishes to keep and disclose when it's ripe, and they can't stand not knowing, not because he's violating any "rules".

I, for one, like seeing what he's doing, and am willing to wait until he's ready to talk about it.

djdister
12-Sep-2014, 19:25
I think you've really missed the "Hollywood Glamour Lighting" effect on this one. The direction of the key light on the face should never come from below the tip of the nose, unless you are going for the "Halloween Glamour lighting" effect.

See: The Five Basic Portrait Lighting Setups (http://www.sekonic.com/whatisyourspecialty/photographer/articles/the-five-basic-portrait-lighting-setups.aspx)


I tried again to take photos in the Hollywood style. I got a longer lens, 21 inches, but I used a $60 Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical lens, which was about 250mm, too wide for close up but I like the look. The 21 inch lens is too large for my IR blocking filter.

http://largesense.com/files/7214/1054/0885/CorrieJ_GeorgeHurrellVertical_1024.jpg

Model: Corrie J
Camera: LargeSense LS911 Pre Production Camera
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Bausch & Lomb Extra Rapid Symmetrical 8x10 (about 250mm focal lenth)
Photo Taken: Sept. 11, 2014 Santa Clara, CA, USA
Copyright LargeSense LLC
http://largesense.com
All rights reserved

http://largesense.com/files/8714/1053/9059/Bausch__Lomb_Extra_Rapid_Symmetrical_8x10.jpg

mdarnton
12-Sep-2014, 19:41
I've been spending the last few weeks looking at old Vogue stuff, Beaton, Steichen, etc., then some Hollywood pix, and you see light coming in from what we'd consider "too low" quite often. We may not like it now, but they definitely did it. Maybe not Hurrell specifically, but it certainly was something they did--Beaton, quite often.

The picture under discussion is a bit busy for my taste, though.

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 21:49
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I had the lights setup for another pose and then I got her into this pose and didn't notice that my key was aimed from bellow in the new odd angle. I'll take some more photos in a month or two.

Bill


I think you've really missed the "Hollywood Glamour Lighting" effect on this one. The direction of the key light on the face should never come from below the tip of the nose, unless you are going for the "Halloween Glamour lighting" effect.

See: The Five Basic Portrait Lighting Setups (http://www.sekonic.com/whatisyourspecialty/photographer/articles/the-five-basic-portrait-lighting-setups.aspx)

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 21:58
I already checked with one moderator before and he thought the postings were ok. If the moderators want to discuss my postings I'm eager to discuss with them.

Bill


Well, Bill. World largest CMOS sensor is 202x205mm:

http://www.canon.com/technology/approach/special/cmos.html

So, I think, you either present scan from your Guinness book certificate

Or moderators should probaly review nature of commercial postings of digital images from unknown origin

I do not think that unknown origin or fantasy cameras are approved by forum rules discussed in this recent thread:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?116002-Request-clarification-of-large-format

Here's clarification of current rules:
For the purposes of this forum, we define "large format" as being essentially 4x5, or larger, sheet film. We do, however, allow what would otherwise be considered "medium format" sizes, IF exposed in a view camera (e.g. with a roll-film adapter), technical, or old-style press camera (e.g. the various Graphic cameras).

From:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_gen_rules_faq_item

richardman
12-Sep-2014, 22:03
THIS IS NOT MY PHOTO :-) I couldn't quite believe that Cecil Beaton would light from the bottom, so I flipped through the Cecil Beaton "New York" book and confirmed that I was right - no underside lighting. Then I did a Google search and found things like this:

{remember, NOT MY PHOTO, Cecil Beaton's!}

http://agonistica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Cecil-Beaton.jpg

richardman
12-Sep-2014, 22:05
BTW, lighting from the bottom aside, that's a classic Hollywood light, IMHO: rapid dropoff at Zone VI or so, massive retouching so everything is oh so soft...

Bill Christian
12-Sep-2014, 22:18
I suppose that sometimes from the bottom is ok but you have to be careful!

I notice that many old Hollywood photos don't care about fully blown highlights, or perhaps that was just poor reproductions.

Bill


BTW, lighting from the bottom aside, that's a classic Hollywood light, IMHO: rapid dropoff at Zone VI or so, massive retouching so everything is oh so soft...

nede
13-Sep-2014, 11:44
little ambrotype 4x5, for testing my light set up...
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3865384/img540.jpg

Robert Kalman
13-Sep-2014, 17:19
Greetings,
"Moving" in a different direction. Would appreciate feedback. Thanks!

121813

8X10 Ebony, 305mm Schneider, Tri-X (rated at 100 ISO) 1/15th @ f11. Developed in HC-110 1:31 @ 7 minutes.

mdarnton
13-Sep-2014, 17:48
Nede, is that you? Intense!

Robert, I am curious what you think about your photo. I'm liking that "what were you thinking" other thread running, and it's got me wondering the same thing here.

Robert Kalman
13-Sep-2014, 17:55
Robert, I am curious what you think about your photo. I'm liking that "what were you thinking" other thread running, and it's got me wondering the same thing here.

I'm moving out of my comfort zone because in the street I generally isolate the subject either on seamless or using a building's doors, windows or facade. So, I'm asking if this image, which includes a distant background and blurred passersby, works.
Appreciate your asking

mdarnton
13-Sep-2014, 18:35
I appreciate the concept. It looks a little busy to me, but I suspect that isn't inevitable and that if you stick to it you will find a way around that.

Ari
13-Sep-2014, 18:54
I like the shot, Robert, but like Michael, I find it busy.
Maybe by darkening the background and using a slightly longer lens you will get a more effective or pleasing look.
It's certainly worth pursuing.

Robert Kalman
13-Sep-2014, 19:06
Appreciate the insights.

Tim Meisburger
13-Sep-2014, 20:09
Robert, I like this just the way it is. In stillness amidst movement, she pops right out of the scene. Very very nice! And impressive you shot this in 8x10.

asnapper
14-Sep-2014, 01:26
Robert, this is very different from your normal portrait approach. I too find the background busy, options are use a faster lens than the G Claron? and use it wide open, or use a much slower shutter speed though you may need to use an ND filter.

Robert Kalman
14-Sep-2014, 03:46
Thanks very much for the helpful comments. Going out today to explore some more. Will be using a 14 inch Ektar in order to see what results when I use a slower shutter speed or a wider aperture. Stayed tuned ;-)

Dirk Rösler
15-Sep-2014, 00:22
Robert, I like this just the way it is. In stillness amidst movement, she pops right out of the scene. Very very nice! And impressive you shot this in 8x10.

+1

I think the OOF are just right. Too much bokeh can also distract. Looking forward to seeing more of these.

NiNo
15-Sep-2014, 00:22
some pics

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121851

121852

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BR/A 8x10 (first 2 sq cropped) + Pyrocat HD 1:1:100 on Slavich Bromportret developed in Ilford PQ-U 1:9

Alessandro Bocchi
15-Sep-2014, 15:11
Lendinara (RO) Italy - Series of portrait with rabbit during the end of summer Bunny Party. This is the portrait of Christine from Padua and the rabbit is Gomez.

- Camera: TOYO-FIELD 45 AII L (Linhof)
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 15 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5568/15064829420_b9f7776030_b.jpg

ImSoNegative
15-Sep-2014, 20:57
Not sure if this would be considered a portrait but here goes, shot with a rittreck view 5x7 w/4x5 back, 210mm fujinon lens, ilford delta. I was up in cades cove Tennessee and came across this nice lady doing a bit of plein air painting and asked her if she would mind if I did a picture of her while she paints, she replied no problem at all, so I got my camera out of the car and she said oh cool a large format camera : ))

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3896/15231283576_dc2049b760_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcWiXw)The Painter (https://flic.kr/p/pcWiXw) by goldenimageworks65 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126756312@N03/), on Flickr

ImSoNegative
15-Sep-2014, 21:03
try a bigger one

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3896/15231283576_dc2049b760_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pcWiXw)The Painter (https://flic.kr/p/pcWiXw) by goldenimageworks65 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126756312@N03/), on Flickr

ImSoNegative
15-Sep-2014, 21:39
Appreciate the insights.

I really like your image the way it is, it has a really cool feel to it (best way I can describe it), nice shot

ImSoNegative
15-Sep-2014, 21:47
THIS IS NOT MY PHOTO :-) I couldn't quite believe that Cecil Beaton would light from the bottom, so I flipped through the Cecil Beaton "New York" book and confirmed that I was right - no underside lighting. Then I did a Google search and found things like this:

{remember, NOT MY PHOTO, Cecil Beaton's!}

http://agonistica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Cecil-Beaton.jpg

Great shot Richard! ;)

richardman
16-Sep-2014, 01:59
Great shot Richard! ;)

ha ha... Yea, Cecil Beaton is pretty good eh? XD

Trevor Whitaker
16-Sep-2014, 14:20
Well, Bill. World largest CMOS sensor is 202x205mm:

http://www.canon.com/technology/approach/special/cmos.html

So, I think, you either present scan from your Guinness book certificate


You might want to get with the times. The article you linked is over four years old and larger sensors have been made since then. Example: http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/chinese-imaging-company-creates-largest-150-megapixel-full-frame-cmos-sensor/

It's not too hard to imagine that an entrepreneurial person could source something like this.

cgrab
17-Sep-2014, 01:53
Interesting article. The size of the sensor is 8x10ish, and it could be the one use by Bill Christian, although on the picture accompanying the article it looks more like a rather extreme panoramic format. The claimed 10 pictures per second sound amazing. Here's to sports photography with view cameras!

Bill Christian
17-Sep-2014, 06:41
That article is a misprint. That sensor is actually 165mm x 27.5mm. It appears to be very good in noise and readout compared to others.

Bill


You might want to get with the times. The article you linked is over four years old and larger sensors have been made since then. Example: http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/chinese-imaging-company-creates-largest-150-megapixel-full-frame-cmos-sensor/

It's not too hard to imagine that an entrepreneurial person could source something like this.

Steve M Hostetter
17-Sep-2014, 07:19
122002 4x5selfy

benrains
17-Sep-2014, 16:30
More recent work...

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5574/15085322579_c604f49372_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oZ3dQB)
sharnayla (https://flic.kr/p/oZ3dQB) by Ben Rains (https://www.flickr.com/people/8376113@N07/), on Flickr

Century Studio 10A w/8x10 back
Wollensak Vesta 14"/5
Ilford HP5 Plus / Adonal 1+50

jp
17-Sep-2014, 17:57
Used up a ten sheet box of Fuji Pro160s 4x5 and had Praus develop it. I mostly stick to B&W, but I am easily awed by some color with the aero ektar + LF, so I tried my hand.

Here's one with my pre-anniversary speed graphic, aero ektar.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5594/15270020151_4a167c4bb0_c.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/pgmQZv)img432 (https://flic.kr/p/pgmQZv) by philbrookjason (https://www.flickr.com/people/13759696@N02/), on Flickr

Miguel Coquis
18-Sep-2014, 13:08
Comte de Montesquieu
Celle's library
Germany
4x5" :)

monsta
18-Sep-2014, 15:32
a first successful wet plate portrait


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5x7 alumitype on a 12 inch lerebour et secretan.

richardman
18-Sep-2014, 17:39
Testing out the new lights. This is with just a single light with a softbox. Initially I said I will use B&W film to test, then I said may be I will use color film, but a complaint went up: "I put on makeup for B&W photos..." well, I wasn't aware that there are B&W suitable makeup vs. color suitable makeup, but OKay....

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140918-Scanned-509-Edit.jpg

Acros at ISO50, Harvey 777, Cooke PS945 Acute 1200 with D4 head.

richardman
19-Sep-2014, 13:48
Someone on FB said these images look like of a film noir actress, but no, she's just our daughter :-)

http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20140919-Scanned-510.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
19-Sep-2014, 15:48
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula".

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/15282594445_03206ffc82_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
19-Sep-2014, 15:49
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula".

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 150 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3858/15095972498_365c72a055_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
19-Sep-2014, 15:53
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula". This is Samuele Piccoli of Stenopeika with his new 5x7 self made tailboard camera.

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 150 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5594/15276638262_4c26058028_b.jpg

Ken Lee
19-Sep-2014, 16:10
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5594/15270020151_4a167c4bb0_c.jpg


That's a charming photograph ! A breath of fresh air.

Robert Kalman
19-Sep-2014, 16:23
Thanks very much for the helpful comments. Going out today to explore some more. Will be using a 14 inch Ektar in order to see what results when I use a slower shutter speed or a wider aperture. Stayed tuned ;-)

I appreciate the encouragements. This is a portrait made with the 14 inch Ektar. I'm experimenting; please be patient with my results ;-)122070

jp
20-Sep-2014, 06:16
Thanks Ken! I do enjoy the very high quality B&W portraits, but it's fun to have something different now and then. Trying a little color LF while it's still available.

Alessandro, the tones and sharpness and shapes of this batch of portraits is really nice!
Normally ladies don't intend to show what her shirt buttons are doing and it happens real easy accidentally. If it's not intentional part of the photo, be on the lookout for that.

Alessandro Bocchi
20-Sep-2014, 16:22
Thank for the comments and advice. I always appreciate comments and advice so everyone should feel free to comment my picture. I look for comments to improve my skills because i am just a beginner. Regarding the pretty girl and her shirt buttons, she gave me permission house her picture. Written and also signed. Her father ask me to take her some picture and he also saw the picture and like them. There is nothing really that is seen brought that buttons. Its much more something that we imagine and that spice up a little the portrait of this young girl. Anyway if her or her father or anyone else ask me to remove that picture i will do immediately because at the very first place there is the subject and for me its the most important. I always ask if they like their picture because i don't want to share picture where the subjects don't like themselves. Anyway i really appreciate that you tell me that and i wish you keep comment and give me advice.




Thanks Ken! I do enjoy the very high quality B&W portraits, but it's fun to have something different now and then. Trying a little color LF while it's still available.

Alessandro, the tones and sharpness and shapes of this batch of portraits is really nice!
Normally ladies don't intend to show what her shirt buttons are doing and it happens real easy accidentally. If it's not intentional part of the photo, be on the lookout for that.

Alessandro Bocchi
20-Sep-2014, 16:24
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula". This guy is the great Nicholas Bastianello.

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/15275297336_a4da32e6d2_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
20-Sep-2014, 16:25
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula".

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 150 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/15275675656_e91fbb5316_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
20-Sep-2014, 16:27
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula".

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5554/15111370679_9c434ab90d_b.jpg

Corran
20-Sep-2014, 21:38
Here's what happened when the Adv. Lighting class had an (unofficial!) meetup. There was fire, motorcycles, and whiskey. I'm not even sure this is where I should post this but it'll do.

Linhof Master Technika
150mm f/2.8 Schneider Xenotar
Fuji T64
f/8 or something and bulb, with a flash pop from some Alien Bees that probably didn't actually register on film, haha

http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/fire-0394ss.jpg

That's straight off the film. My friend who's in the suit wants a print so I edited the scan a bit and this'll be what I print:

http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/fire-0394-editss.jpg

Sheldon N
21-Sep-2014, 20:24
Now THAT is awesome.

Corran
21-Sep-2014, 21:16
:cool:
Definitely not your typical LF portrait...

SergeiR
22-Sep-2014, 06:16
Getting my wife trained in LF photography, using myself as subject, so she could understand why I am asking people to not move and such ;))
That is her second sheet (first one we goofed focus a tad)

8x10 X-ray , 360mm Heliar, wide open.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3876/15314499051_c897f3c0f9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pkhP26)Scan-140922-0001www (https://flic.kr/p/pkhP26) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

gsinico
22-Sep-2014, 12:09
This is the same location, I was able to manage the Alessandro Bocchi new camera...
Thanks Alessandro!

Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival .

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Fujinon 250SF f/9 yellow streamer
- Exposure: 1/8
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- D KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 9 minutes and 30 seconds at 20° C

- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/vintage%20Festival%202014/content/images/large/1vintage_.jpg

gsinico
22-Sep-2014, 12:11
This is the same location, I was able to manage the Alessandro Bocchi new camera...
Thanks Alessandro!

Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival .

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Fujinon 250SF f/9 yellow streamer
- Exposure: 1/8
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- D KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 9 minutes and 30 seconds at 20° C

- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/vintage%20Festival%202014/content/images/large/2vintage_.jpg

gsinico
22-Sep-2014, 12:11
This is the same location, I was able to manage the Alessandro Bocchi new camera...
Thanks Alessandro!

Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival .

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Fujinon 250SF f/9 yellow streamer
- Exposure: 1/8
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- D KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 9 minutes and 30 seconds at 20° C

- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/vintage%20Festival%202014/content/images/large/3vintage_.jpg

gsinico
22-Sep-2014, 12:22
This is the same location, I was able to manage the Alessandro Bocchi new camera...
Thanks Alessandro!

Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival .

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Fujinon 250SF f/9 yellow streamer
- Exposure: 1/8
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- D KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 9 minutes and 30 seconds at 20° C

- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/vintage%20Festival%202014/content/images/large/4vintage_.jpg

Dirk Rösler
22-Sep-2014, 13:27
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2942/15324657695_8d01b01364_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pmbSQ8)

a man from tochigi (https://flic.kr/p/pmbSQ8) who did not mind posing for me while taking a walk.

Wista 45 handheld, Apo-Symmar 120/5.6

Alessandro Bocchi
22-Sep-2014, 13:51
Ahhhh Giovanni. Wonderful. Its always a pleasure to share my camera and some film with a friend like you. We should do more often. This is the one i prefer.


This is the same location, I was able to manage the Alessandro Bocchi new camera...
Thanks Alessandro!

Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival .

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: Fujinon 250SF f/9 yellow streamer
- Exposure: 1/8
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- D KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 9 minutes and 30 seconds at 20° C

- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/vintage%20Festival%202014/content/images/large/1vintage_.jpg

gsinico
22-Sep-2014, 14:06
Ahhhh Giovanni. Wonderful. Its always a pleasure to share my camera and some film with a friend like you. We should do more often. This is the one i prefer.

me too I prefer this one...
It is a long lens the 250SF for this set, so I blame myself to have cut so many hands...
next time I'll bring the SF180, and my camera and stuff...
:-)

Alessandro Bocchi
22-Sep-2014, 14:08
Padua (PD) Italy - Series of portrait during the Vintage Festival with also "I-Fotocellula".

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 150 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: 2 Continuous Light.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3905/15275606056_faec9bc7c2_b.jpg

Mark MacKenzie
22-Sep-2014, 19:29
There is a great deal of talent here! Good work all!

NiNo
23-Sep-2014, 04:52
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3847/15319382555_509bd189d8_c.jpg

8x10", Fujinon-W 250/6,3 wide open
Kodak BR/A developed in Pyrocat HD 1:1:100
Contact Print on Slavich Bromportret 80, developed in Ilford PQ-U 1:14
Scan of the print on Epson V500

SergeiR
23-Sep-2014, 07:12
8x10, 120mm S-A

my wife patiently waiting for me to finish shooting creek :)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3855/15129124899_710c3042d3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p3UHK2)Scan-140921-0007www (https://flic.kr/p/p3UHK2) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

Alessandro Bocchi
23-Sep-2014, 12:27
Really wonderful Portrait. I like the pose, the framing the composition. Interesting the develop. I have to try soon or late. I have no experience with Pyrocat.


https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3847/15319382555_509bd189d8_c.jpg

8x10", Fujinon-W 250/6,3 wide open
Kodak BR/A developed in Pyrocat HD 1:1:100
Contact Print on Slavich Bromportret 80, developed in Ilford PQ-U 1:14
Scan of the print on Epson V500

Alessandro Bocchi
23-Sep-2014, 12:30
Whow it is a very wide lens on a 8x10 camera but really beautiful. Love the light and the contrast.


8x10, 120mm S-A

my wife patiently waiting for me to finish shooting creek :)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3855/15129124899_710c3042d3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p3UHK2)Scan-140921-0007www (https://flic.kr/p/p3UHK2) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

SergeiR
23-Sep-2014, 12:48
Thank you, Alessandro. Yeah, 120 is not what i would normally use, but i just finished shooting landscape and she was sitting right next to where i was, so i snapped this :) Its about 1/2s exposure too ;) I got to get shutter for this lens.. Or i got to finally shutter-ize one of my 160-170mm lenses. got like 3 that are sitting on shelf, as i stopped shooting wide angles for a while and now getting back into it.

Alessandro Bocchi
23-Sep-2014, 13:02
My widest lens is the 90 mm super angulon. But i use on a 4x5 camera. I decided that the 4x5 is my format. I already waste to much film in that size. I have also a 5x7 camera but i used just 2 times. It is sited on shelf and i don't like to see my stuff lazy on the shelf.



Thank you, Alessandro. Yeah, 120 is not what i would normally use, but i just finished shooting landscape and she was sitting right next to where i was, so i snapped this :) Its about 1/2s exposure too ;) I got to get shutter for this lens.. Or i got to finally shutter-ize one of my 160-170mm lenses. got like 3 that are sitting on shelf, as i stopped shooting wide angles for a while and now getting back into it.

SergeiR
23-Sep-2014, 13:26
My widest lens is the 90 mm super angulon. But i use on a 4x5 camera. I decided that the 4x5 is my format. I already waste to much film in that size. I have also a 5x7 camera but i used just 2 times. It is sited on shelf and i don't like to see my stuff lazy on the shelf.

I have 90/4.5 (in fact i got 90/8 too, that i got to sell, comes to think about it) on 4x5 :)
But shooting b&w 8x10 for me is actually cheaper than shooting 4x5 (not so much in colour).

McCoy
23-Sep-2014, 17:48
More recent work...

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5574/15085322579_c604f49372_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/oZ3dQB)
sharnayla (https://flic.kr/p/oZ3dQB) by Ben Rains (https://www.flickr.com/people/8376113@N07/), on Flickr

Century Studio 10A w/8x10 back
Wollensak Vesta 14"/5
Ilford HP5 Plus / Adonal 1+50

This is an outstanding shot. If tat was gone it could be considered timeless

McCoy
23-Sep-2014, 17:51
some pics

121850

121851

Love this look! Nice shots - especially the cropped ones
121852

121853

BR/A 8x10 (first 2 sq cropped) + Pyrocat HD 1:1:100 on Slavich Bromportret developed in Ilford PQ-U 1:9

M.Lange
24-Sep-2014, 01:53
planche contact 13x18
Sinar Norma
122228

Alessandro Bocchi
24-Sep-2014, 14:55
Caldogno (VI) Italy - Series of portrait during the Wedding of Betty and Diego. This is the portrait of Marco and Sara from Badia Polesine.

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 11 minutes and 30 seconds at 22° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3870/15343768515_0c7476de28_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
24-Sep-2014, 14:57
Caldogno (VI) Italy - Series of portrait during the Wedding of Betty and Diego. This is the portrait of Ilaria from Vicenza.

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 15 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3921/15156502679_b2f1eafa3c_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
24-Sep-2014, 14:58
Caldogno (VI) Italy - Series of portrait during the Wedding of Betty and Diego. This is the portrait of the super elegant Beatrice from Rovigo.

- Camera: CHAMONIX 45-N2
- Lens: SCHNEIDER Symmar 210 1:5.6 Convertible
- Exposure: N/A
- Film: FOMAPAN - 100 ASA - size 4x5"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 1 minute at 25° C than KODAK HC-110 - Dilution H (1+63) - 7 minutes and 15 seconds at 25° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2943/15340022001_041f1b6603_b.jpg

mdm
25-Sep-2014, 00:34
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qgdE_-iPtFI/VCO8un0dYAI/AAAAAAAACFc/WVGbWb4RxOY/s1600/blah014-2-2.jpg
Can time happen without thought?

Alessandro Bocchi
25-Sep-2014, 11:48
Very interesting


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qgdE_-iPtFI/VCO8un0dYAI/AAAAAAAACFc/WVGbWb4RxOY/s1600/blah014-2-2.jpg
Can time happen without thought?

gsinico
25-Sep-2014, 16:10
http://www.gelatina.altervista.org/pics/bn/bn_people/bn_portraits/15349728115_f7538c10d0_o-1.jpg


Stefania,
but using the Alessandro gear, lens+camera+film+set... I just triggered the shutter !
:-)

ImSoNegative
25-Sep-2014, 20:29
dryplate tintype using a 5x7 film sheath in an imperial whole plate camera, kind of hard to compose, just started doing this the other day, lots to learn :p

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15169667629_277df8aef0.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p7uvFB)dryplate tintype portrait (https://flic.kr/p/p7uvFB) by goldenimageworks65 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126756312@N03/), on Flickr

SergeiR
25-Sep-2014, 20:41
Caught wee one still enough to suffer through 1s exposure ;)

8x10 film, Thompson & Co 14"/f4 projection petzval

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2943/15169943538_22de5d67b5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/p7vVGE)TV dinner (https://flic.kr/p/p7vVGE) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

Carl J
26-Sep-2014, 09:03
Robert, Nice work (as usual)! Following the series on flickr. Very interesting to see the range of results from the 305mm and now the 14inch. What shutter speed and aperture did you use?


I appreciate the encouragements. This is a portrait made with the 14 inch Ektar. I'm experimenting; please be patient with my results ;-)122070

Pete Watkins
26-Sep-2014, 09:42
Sergi, That's really nice.

SergeiR
26-Sep-2014, 09:48
Sergi, That's really nice.
thanks :)

I am surprised how well it turned out actually. He is normally really hard to get still without all the tiny movements ;)
Guess having big scary lens helped a bit.

Pete Watkins
26-Sep-2014, 11:04
A big scary camera can help, great pic.

SergeiR
27-Sep-2014, 11:38
8x10 film, 360mm Heliar.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3883/15348613426_df1a919b6b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/poiE2Y)Scan-140927-0005www (https://flic.kr/p/poiE2Y) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

RSalles
27-Sep-2014, 17:28
Hi Sergei, terrific shot!
Sometimes I have the feeling that the Heliar pay its own price with every single shot...

Cheers,

Renato

SergeiR
27-Sep-2014, 18:15
Hi Sergei, terrific shot!
Sometimes I have the feeling that the Heliar pay its own price with every single shot...

Cheers,

Renato

they totally are :) And i FINALLY got to use my 420 for real. And it is just as cool as I thought it would be ;)

8x10, 420mm Heliar

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3927/15374011205_e0801c37fc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pqxPUH)Scan-140927-0001www (https://flic.kr/p/pqxPUH) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

SergeiR
27-Sep-2014, 18:19
and just to offset buttery Heliars goodness a bit ;)

8x10, 360mm Symmar-S

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3924/15370619651_e9ffedd0fc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pqfrHD)Scan-140927-0010www (https://flic.kr/p/pqfrHD) by Sergei Rodionov (https://www.flickr.com/people/24930737@N05/), on Flickr

hetocy
28-Sep-2014, 06:31
My very fisrt try in large format, wanted to shoot a portrait but no-one would pose for me so ...
Hope not to be in the wrong file ! (posted at still life category too.)
Shen Hao hzx 45 + schneider symmar 150mm @ f16 + fomapan 100 .
Epson 4990 scan
wainting for advices of course !

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/224507img49903991.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=224507img49903991.jpg)

Jim Jones
28-Sep-2014, 12:28
Cute (in a nice sense of the word). Viewing the ground glass image with the lens at the shooting aperture may help identify conspicuous areas of the background that can be improved by a slight change in camera position.

Sal Santamaura
8-Oct-2014, 08:35
...It is a CMOS instead of CCD...I've reviewed all you posts here as well as your Web site and find nothing quantitative on the sensor's resolution. What is the pixel density of your CMOS sensor?

McCoy
9-Oct-2014, 05:36
Welcome to the world of LF photography! Nice shot - just watch distracting or competing zones or color tones behind your subject. Don't be discouraged. Keep up the good work.

McCoy
9-Oct-2014, 05:40
hetocy, Welcome to the world of LF photography! Nice shot - just watch distracting or competing zones or color tones behind your subject. Don't be discouraged. Keep up the good work.

dionisius1976
9-Oct-2014, 11:03
Tо SergeiR: A good one (horoshiy)!

SergeiR
9-Oct-2014, 11:20
Tо SergeiR: A good one (horoshiy)!

spasibo