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insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 09:52
Gday guys,

Just a point as a new user.

I understand the anti-spam measures of not letting people see the FS section, but I think you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

A lot of new users (such as myself) obviously want to purchase LF equipment.

As a person new to LF, an active classifieds section would be great. I could browse peoples gear for sale, perhaps pick up a camera.

I might even spend money to purchase things (the purpose of it)

Instead I have to wait 30 days, and may spend my money elsewhere, because I don't want to wait 30 days to even see what is available.

What I am trying to say is, you are probably losing sales (and probably will lose my sale) by not allowing new users to at least have read-only access to the classifieds.

Dan

Kirk Gittings
29-Mar-2013, 10:06
I appreciate your thoughts, but buying and selling is not central to our mission. It is just a service we offer our established members.

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 10:16
Gday Kirk,

I understand.

I am just suggesting that members may benefit by having more purchasing power looking at their sale threads.

I believe read-only would still fulfill your anti-spammer mission?

Cheers,
Dan

Brian C. Miller
29-Mar-2013, 10:18
Hi, Dan, and welcome to the forum!

The For Sale section does not support the web site, so it doesn't matter if you spend money there or not. Since LF is such a slow art form, waiting a while really doesn't affect anything. If you really delve into this, then you'll be doing LF for the rest of your life, until your hands are too arthritic to load film and you're blind. But if you're smart, you'll have put Braille marks on your camera, and you'll have assistants to do the rest. (Yes, there is at least one completely blind photographer, and his Gossen light meter was modified for Braille.)

So in that context, waiting a month really isn't a big deal, is it? ;)

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 10:27
So in that context, waiting a month really isn't a big deal, is it? ;)

Thanks Brian :)

I'm Gen Y, we are used to getting everything immediately!

I am honestly more likely to spend my hard-earned in the first 30 days of researching something than after. Ie I will see an Ebay sale pop up and snap it up.

Just thinking that your users would probably appreciate people like my buying their stuff :)

And if there's no real reason to have it private instead of read only I figure we may as well change it!

Dan

gliderbee
29-Mar-2013, 10:43
Gday Kirk,


I believe read-only would still fulfill your anti-spammer mission?

Cheers,
Dan

I think he has a point there. ?

Stefan

Gem Singer
29-Mar-2013, 11:08
Dan,

Obviously you are a young impatient Aussie.

The classified section of the LF forum is designed to be a service to established members.

Contributing to the forum for at least thirty days before you can make a sale or a purchase gives the members an opportunity to get to know you.

Unlike eBay, it serves to establish a personal basis for trust between buyer and seller.

You'll get a better deal in the long run.

Leigh
29-Mar-2013, 11:24
I stress the participation requirement up one level.

When I post a For Sale item, the terms clearly state that it's only available to members with more than 20 posts.
This eliminates the bargain hunters who stop by, snatch up goodies, then turn around and sell them on the bay.

Posting threads or replies in the Classified section does not increase one's post count.

- Leigh

IanG
29-Mar-2013, 11:26
I'll second the getting better deals, I certainly have and I recommend waiting.

A huge advantage over Ebay is you can place wanted adverts, that's often enabled me to buy what I've wanted - a bit of patience is needed at times as you need to wait for things to become available.

Ian

rdenney
29-Mar-2013, 11:49
I think you'll find that if you spend the 30 days participating in the forum, digging in the archives, and reading the home-page articles, when it does come time to buy, you'll make a decision that will be easier to live with.

In any case, the limitation is a protection for readers and sellers alike. Readers know that anyone here just to make a quick buy and then leave will be encouraged to become part of the community, which in turn prevents the membership from swelling just from those looking for an alternative to ebay or KEH. Spammers register for this site every single day. Sellers know that those offering to buy have demonstrated at least a modicum of commitment to the idea of LF photography. Given that we offer no protections at all for the sales forum, it's one way to reduce risk for something that is entirely at the user's risk.

In any case, we don't shorten the time--otherwise we'd be responding to such requests daily with no data on which to decide--so enjoy the month without the pressure of making a buying decision and take the opportunity to become part of the group.

Rick "and, if I may suggest, be careful about that word 'stupid'" Denney

Brian Ellis
29-Mar-2013, 11:58
So he joins a free forum and in less than thirty days as a member calls a policy of that forum "stupid."

Could someone remind me how to put a person on an ignore list? I've never done it before but if this is representative of his manners and sensibilities it would be a good time to start.

Turning to the merits of his claim, not all new members are new to LF photography. And of those who are, many already have purchased equipment and/or have no interest in selling anything. And a "read only" rule wouldn't do anything for the comfort some of us get when selling equipment from knowing that we're dealing with a community of LF photographers and not just with someone who came here looking for a bargain. And apart from anything else, good grief it's only 30 days. Spend the time reading about LF photography so you'll have a better idea of what you want to buy when your 30 days are up.

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 12:23
Gday guys,

Just a quick note first:

I am obviously brand new here, but participate in many such focused forums. I buy 90% of my toys via forums like this one.

I don't want to come in and change the world, and I am very new to LF and the forum, I apologize if I offended people.

LF photography is obviously a very old means to an end. This means that the equipment has been around for ages, and it means that there are many many resources regarding it, but it also means that finding current, meaningful information is rare. I spent a lot of time over the last few days researching via other sites, google etc etc etc, and 95% of the results I encountered were from earlier than 2007. This makes any discussion about cost, prices and availability next to useless.

Ebay and KEH are very hit and miss, and I usually get a lot lot more information from classifieds on specialist forums such as this.

I came into the forum seeking knowledge, and one facet of that knowledge that is very important to start with is price. Without knowing what is actually available, in my price range and good value it makes it very hard to focus my research on equipment to relevant questions.


Dan,

Obviously you are a young impatient Aussie.

The classified section of the LF forum is designed to be a service to established members.

Contributing to the forum for at least thirty days before you can make a sale or a purchase gives the members an opportunity to get to know you.

Unlike eBay, it serves to establish a personal basis for trust between buyer and seller.

You'll get a better deal in the long run.

Yes, young impatient Aussie at your service.

I am currently in a location that would be spectacular for LF photography, hence my urgency to get equipment ASAP and start learning, as I am only here for 2 more months, a short time in which to learn and get good shots.

I understand re: contribution to the forums, but the language of money speaks. As the buyer, I am the one that should need protection, not the seller. Does a seller care whether the person buying has 1 post or 1000 if the seller has the money they wanted for the item in the bank account?

I know I will get a better deal, hence wanting access.

Thanks for the thoughts!


]I stress the participation requirement up one level.

When I post a For Sale item, the terms clearly state that it's only available to members with more than 20 posts.
This eliminates the bargain hunters who stop by, snatch up goodies, then turn around and sell them on the bay.

Posting threads or replies in the Classified section does not increase one's post count.

- Leigh[/COLOR]

I didn't realize that bargain hunters would stoop so low. I wouldn't know how to make 20 posts in the forum without access to the classifieds to see what is available. I would be one of those members I saw you guys discussing in the other thread that asked repetitive generic questions that I should be able to find the answers to myself, if I could focus my research down to a specific couple of items.

Again, I stress that read only for the first 30 days would satisfy the requirements you guys have and keep money within the forums.



]I'll second the getting better deals, I certainly have and I recommend waiting.

A huge advantage over Ebay is you can place wanted adverts, that's often enabled me to buy what I've wanted - a bit of patience is needed at times as you need to wait for things to become available.

Ian[/COLOR]

Yes, hence why it is quite frustrating to not be able to see what is available in there.


I think you'll find that if you spend the 30 days participating in the forum, digging in the archives, and reading the home-page articles, when it does come time to buy, you'll make a decision that will be easier to live with.

In any case, the limitation is a protection for readers and sellers alike. Readers know that anyone here just to make a quick buy and then leave will be encouraged to become part of the community, which in turn prevents the membership from swelling just from those looking for an alternative to ebay or KEH. Spammers register for this site every single day. Sellers know that those offering to buy have demonstrated at least a modicum of commitment to the idea of LF photography. Given that we offer no protections at all for the sales forum, it's one way to reduce risk for something that is entirely at the user's risk.

In any case, we don't shorten the time--otherwise we'd be responding to such requests daily with no data on which to decide--so enjoy the month without the pressure of making a buying decision and take the opportunity to become part of the group.

Rick "and, if I may suggest, be careful about that word 'stupid'" Denney

Gday Rick,

Once again I apologize if I offended.

Please put yourself in my shoes. I am a person that has decided I want to get into LF photography. I am young and net savvy, so I can both find and consume information very quickly. I have spent a couple of days being overwhelmed, read a bunch of articles, and then stumbled across this wonderful, active forum. (a rare thing these days in niche hobbies) I read, read, read many posts and gain a broad understanding of LF equipment, to the point where I want to start looking at what options are available to me at the moment, so I can look into them further.

I see the classifieds forum, and think BEAUTY! Just what I needed to find out what's around at the moment.

Only to not be let in for 30 days.

I don't know about you, but when I get passionate about something, I get very excited, and want to learn as much as possible as quickly as possible. I hate the feeling of their being the exact knowledge I need right around the corner, but they won't let you in to gain it for an arbitrary amount of time. It's frustrating, is the point I am trying to make.

One other point, you say that you don't want to turn it into an alternative to KEH or Ebay, I say why not! If it means people can get more for their gear when they sell, or sell it quicker, and more traffic comes through the site surely that isn't a bad thing for the forum.

Sellers know that those offering to buy have demonstrated at least a modicum of commitment to the idea of LF photography.

I don't entirely understand this, it sounds very elitist to me. Surely I would show more commitment to the idea of LF photography by actually buying a LF camera and starting the learning process for real. You want me to read dry information about concepts I can barely grasp through only the medium of a forum? I personally learn by doing. I would learn more in 5 minutes playing around with a camera or in a darkroom with film than I would from reading 100 threads.


so enjoy the month without the pressure of making a buying decision and take the opportunity to become part of the group.

I don't think so. I will be much more likely to make a purchase from another location (VERY MUCH UNFORTUNATELY!!!!) in the first month. I will most likely have a camera in my hand within 2 - 3 weeks, so I can start the learning process. Will I regret the purchase? possibly? but isn't that what life is about. At least I will have somewhere to sell it, right :)

Dan

Kirk Gittings
29-Mar-2013, 12:39
So I'm guessing that this is your standard MO on forums that you are new too? You are very endearing so far.......

Leigh
29-Mar-2013, 12:40
google etc etc etc, and 95% of the results I encountered were from earlier than 2007.
You can limit Google search results to the past day, week, month, or year.
Click on Search Tools, then click on Any Time to bring up the options list.
So now we're providing tutorials on Google usage in addition to photography. :eek:

I don't know what you expect to accomplish with this extended rant/argument, but I guarantee you have failed.

We go out of our way to accommodate the needs of newbies. They show up every day, and are most welcome.
All we ask in return is that they treat the forum and its members with respect, a point that seems missing here.

- Leigh

Gem Singer
29-Mar-2013, 12:47
Well Dan,

Your lengthy posts above has certainly given the members of this forum an opportunity to get to know you better.

Most sellers on this forum don't regard making money on the sale as their primary goal.

They would rather see a beginner, like yourself, get off to a good start with high quality, useable equipment.

That will help to prolong the interest in LF photography for a long time. LF is not an undertaking for an impatient person, like yourself.

The members of this forum are primarily interested in keeping LF film photography alive as long as possible.

So, don't go away angry. Just go away!

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 12:51
You can limit Google search results to the past day, week, month, or year.
Click on Search Tools, then click on Any Time to bring up the options list.

I don't know what you expect to accomplish with this extended rant/argument, but I guarantee you have failed.

- Leigh

Thank you for that info Leigh,

I usually search and add 2011 at the end of the search term, didn't even think to advance search for this topic. Thank you very much.

I actually hoped to get access to the classifieds earlier for myself and others in my situation, and to get things sold in the classifieds section quicker. Basically I was trying to contribute positively to the forum.

Not sure if it's a rant or a reasonable discussion between adults about a subject for the improvement of the forum as a whole.

Dan

Leigh
29-Mar-2013, 12:54
or a reasonable discussion between adults about a subject for the improvement of the forum as a whole.
I'm not sure how you advanced from newcomer to spokesman for the general membership in six posts.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of "personal opinion".

The members don't think there's a problem, and thus no need for "improvement".

- Leigh

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 13:00
I'm not sure how you advanced from newcomer to spokesman for the general membership in six posts.

The members don't think there's a problem, and thus no need for "improvement".

- Leigh

I never claimed to be a spokesperson.

I stated a situation I was in, and a problem that I encountered. I then gave my opinion about it in the "feedback" section, where people post about their positive and negative experiences on websites.

I apologize once again if I have come across as rude. Stupid was a poor term to use in the subject heading.

Dan

Leigh
29-Mar-2013, 13:08
Stupid was a poor term to use in the subject heading.
Particularly when preceded by "its" (sans apostrophe).

It should have read "it's stupid".

At least make your insults grammatically correct.

- Leigh

rdenney
29-Mar-2013, 13:37
Okay, Dan, you've had your say. Nope, we aren't going to change it. Sorry.

By the way, every word you used to describe yourself as eager and internet-savvy and so on applies to many here. Including me. And the 30-day rule applied to every person who joined after the for-sale forum was created. Including me. Many who joined this forum were looking for a camera. Including me. I've used large-format for years, but my long-time camera no longer met my specific needs. Thus, I already knew exactly what I wanted, but still waited like everyone else. No, I take that back--I couldn't wait because the right deal came along at KEH. Never once did I think I was being put upon because I was made to wait like everyone else.

Now, enjoy your reading. I would suggest starting with the Usage Guidelines above. You won't be the first Aussie to have learned that Americans are just a tad less plainspoken than Aussies.

Everyone else--nothing to see here. Either Dan will get it and have fun, or he won't. No need to pile on.

Rick "there is much to learn, grasshopper" Denney

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 13:39
Appreciated Rick,

Thanks for the response. Acknowledged.

I hope to have fun with it, obviously :)

Dan

jcoldslabs
29-Mar-2013, 13:41
Dan,

Welcome to the forum and the world of large format. Being an Aussie I assume you have thick skin, which is a good trait to have for ANY online forum!

I will second the notion that commerce is a secondary function of this site. Since the For Sale section is not auction-based, more (and newer) viewers don't do too much to help with sales necessarily. And as has been said above, I am fine selling my gear for a bit less than I could get elsewhere knowing that it is being sold within an established community. Not because of any elitism, but because selling amongst "friends" feels better.

Now...as an Internet savvy Gen-Y'er, you got schooled on how to use Google by some geezer* on a LF forum? Damn, boy. ;)

Jonathan


*Meant as a term of affection, Leigh. I consider myself a geezer, too.

EDIT: Ooops, Rick sort of capped the discussion while I was composing my post. Sorry about that.

lecarp
29-Mar-2013, 13:44
Thanks Brian :)

I'm Gen Y, we are used to getting everything immediately!



You probably won't care much for large format with that attitude.

Leigh
29-Mar-2013, 13:47
Now...as an Internet savvy Gen-Y'er, you got schooled on how to use Google by some geezer* on a LF forum? Damn, boy. ;)
*Meant as a term of affection, Leigh. I consider myself a geezer, too.
I love you too, Jonathan. :D

Look up 'geezer' in the dictionary and you would see my picture, if they could find a lens up to the challenge.

- Leigh

Brian C. Miller
29-Mar-2013, 13:57
WHOA THERE, PEOPLE!

We've been through this "crotchety fart" thing before.


I don't entirely understand this, it sounds very elitist to me. Surely I would show more commitment to the idea of LF photography by actually buying a LF camera and starting the learning process for real. You want me to read dry information about concepts I can barely grasp through only the medium of a forum? I personally learn by doing. I would learn more in 5 minutes playing around with a camera or in a darkroom with film than I would from reading 100 threads.

Dan, please relax just a little bit, and don't let this bunch get under your skin. They get grumpy, and there's even a current post from one of the moderators about being patient with new people.

Now then:
#1: Starting with a camera. It's very hard to go wrong. The only way you can go wrong is to not buy a camera. I started LF with a Graflex Super Graphic from the late 1960s, which I still have and use, and with the original lens. This particular model of camera was made with a Fresnel lens and ground glass combination, so it's imperative for a buyer to make sure that it's original, or if it's been replaced, that the replacement was done properly. Otherwise, good ground glass and light-tight bellows, and you're in business. I'm serious about that.

#2: Film and film holders: You need them. They need to be loaded in the dark, or in a big changing tent or bag. This takes some practice. Once upon a time, you could get film in individual packets, like Kodak Readyload or Fuji Quickload. There was also instant film from Polaroid. All of this is gone. It's time to roll up your sleeves and break a sweat.

#3: Sturdy tripod. Cable release is really good. Cheap incident light meter.

#4: Go and do it.

I learned with a book, Polaroids, and my Graflex. You don't have that option. The fastest way is for you to find someone close to you, go and meet them in person ASAP, and learn at their feet. There are quite a few members down under, so there just might be someone in range of you. Also, join APUG.org, and ask there who might be near you. Fill out your profile with your location.

LF is easy to screw up, so yeah, there's a learning curve. But it's not rocket science, and eyeballing is a great way to learn. Set the lens according to a light meter, and you'll be good. You don't have to learn the Zone System or anything else to get a reasonable and usable exposure. But you will have some wasted shots, so take that into account. I'm given to believe that film and processing are expensive in Oz, so forewarned is fourarmed, but LF photographers are usually five-legged.

As for buying a camera, check around your local shops. Since this is your first camera, you need to physically look at it and twiddle with it a bit. You won't be able to fiddle with it buying over the net. After that, the future is all yours.

Oh, yeah: if you have Skype, we can sync up and chat.

insanephotography
29-Mar-2013, 14:06
Thanks Brian.

Advice taken on board, digesting now!

Thanks for the offer.

Dan

BrianShaw
29-Mar-2013, 14:10
Dan... don't subscribe to View Camera Magazine. You wouldn't be able to handle it! Welcome and good luck with learning LF!

emh
29-Mar-2013, 15:47
It's worth waiting the 30 days. Items in the Classifieds are offered by people who actually know what they are, and have usually used them. They realize that just because something is old, it doesn't make it rare, and just because it's rare, it doesn't denote quality. As opposed to many on ebay, sellers here usually don't find the camera in an estate sale basement/attic, will know if it's complete, in working condition, and know it's value. I don't think I've ever seen an ad, here, where the poster wrote, "I'm not a photographer, so I don't know if this works (or has all the parts), but it looks OK to me." The 30 day rule keeps those people out, making this a much safer place to make purchases.

Lachlan 717
29-Mar-2013, 15:52
Dan,

Where are you based? There could be someone in your area that can have a chat with you, and perhaps show you their kit.

Much better than just reading about it!!

Michael W
29-Mar-2013, 21:12
Also, join APUG.org, and ask there who might be near you.
As an added benefit he has immediate access to the classifieds section on APUG, where many of the LF items for sale are the same ones listed here that he can't see. :cool:

eddie
1-Apr-2013, 17:02
FS: all types of great LF cameras, lenses, brass lenses, shutter, film, backs, and light meters.

cheap as hell!

NO SHIPPING to any islands! NO shipping to the southern hemisphere.

BrianShaw
1-Apr-2013, 17:20
No man is an island. Will you ship to Southern California?

Kirk Gittings
1-Apr-2013, 17:28
How about New Mexico-most people on the east-coast think its in a third world country.....:)

BrianShaw
1-Apr-2013, 17:32
Kirk. BREAKING NEWS: people on the West Coast (southern half, especially) think the same thing!

Kirk Gittings
1-Apr-2013, 17:34
Kirk. BREAKING NEWS: people on the West Coast (southern half, especially) think the same thing!
!!!!!!!

Fred L
1-Apr-2013, 18:02
One thing to keep in mind. I would presume it a safe guess that most members here are not going to feel very confident selling to a new member who only registered a few days ago (or however short a period it may be). So even if a new member could beeline the FS: section, they may not have much luck. Earn some cred here, participate and one month will evaporate before you know it.

and welcome to LFPF !

Fred L
1-Apr-2013, 18:10
How about New Mexico-most people on the east-coast think its in a third world country.....:)

hey Kirk, I'm too lazy to look it up right now but how far is Albuquerque from Lourdes ;)

ScenicTraverse
1-Apr-2013, 18:16
Just to add my $.02 as a new user who experienced the same frustration at first - being able to read the classifieds forum and search it gives some idea of what's available and what reasonable pricing is for those items. I purchased a camera on ebay and wasn't able to take advantage of the forums for historical context for the pricing - thankfully some of the members here are very kind and were willing to share some thoughts via PM.

I have been a member of other forums where it was read only for the first 30 days, and I think thats very reasonable.

I dont think the wait is unreasonable, but there is some research advantage to being able to read it before 30 days. After all, we're all here to learn.

Kristen

Kirk Gittings
1-Apr-2013, 19:58
hey Kirk, I'm too lazy to look it up right now but how far is Albuquerque from Lourdes ;)
:)

jcoldslabs
1-Apr-2013, 20:02
The way Bugs Bunny used to do it, Albuquerque was only one wrong turn from ANYWHERE.

Jonathan

Jody_S
1-Apr-2013, 20:13
I personally object to the notion of granting read-only or public access to the For Sale forum. Why? I don't want this relatively obscure and unimportant sub-forum to become a price gauge for people selling their crap on eBay. The For Sale forum is more of a privileged semi-private place for members to deal with each other, exclusively. Prices asked, and realized, are not indicative of any particular gear's worth. For the items that matter (SF lenses), realized prices are already posted in the public area of the forum.

As an aside, I find this hilarious:

I spent a lot of time over the last few days researching via...
Plus, you're on location for another 2 months? I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, no one but an idiot savant has ever mastered large format photography in that sort of time constraint. If you really want to learn this, you need to budget your time in years.

Kirk Gittings
1-Apr-2013, 20:16
The way Bugs Bunny used to do it, Albuquerque was only one wrong turn from ANYWHERE.

Jonathan

It is!

John NYC
1-Apr-2013, 20:19
To the original poster, KEH -- in my experience -- is a much, much more reliable way to get good equipment than here, in my experience. You might pay a little more, but you know what you are getting as their ratings are usually spot on or even better than what you would expect. Anything in LN- or EX+ condition in my experience looks fantastic, and literally like new to lightly used at worst. I have also had great luck with EX condition. Even their BGN condition sometimes surprises me.

welly
1-Apr-2013, 20:56
Thank you for that info Leigh,

I usually search and add 2011 at the end of the search term, didn't even think to advance search for this topic. Thank you very much.

I actually hoped to get access to the classifieds earlier for myself and others in my situation, and to get things sold in the classifieds section quicker. Basically I was trying to contribute positively to the forum.

Not sure if it's a rant or a reasonable discussion between adults about a subject for the improvement of the forum as a whole.

Dan

With all due respect, this system has worked well for X years and I believe there has been very, very few occasions where a sale has gone sour. For the same reason buyers want to be protected against buying from a scammer, sellers want protection to know the buyer is at least somewhat trust worthy.

rdenney
2-Apr-2013, 05:35
Just to add my $.02 as a new user who experienced the same frustration at first - being able to read the classifieds forum and search it gives some idea of what's available and what reasonable pricing is for those items. I purchased a camera on ebay and wasn't able to take advantage of the forums for historical context for the pricing - thankfully some of the members here are very kind and were willing to share some thoughts via PM.

I have been a member of other forums where it was read only for the first 30 days, and I think thats very reasonable.

I dont think the wait is unreasonable, but there is some research advantage to being able to read it before 30 days. After all, we're all here to learn.

Kristen

The for-sale forum's purpose is not for research. I can see how a person might think so, especially when they can't yet see it, but it's much more reliable to do pricing research at places like KEH and eBay.

If one needs guidance on what sort of camera might be suited to a specific application, and even how much a specific camera might be worth, that can be provided in the regular forum. Mostly, we find that folks haven't much thought beyond "landscapes, and maybe a little archicture" when asked what sort of photography they intend to do, and there is nothing in the for-sale forum that will provide any useful research in that case. When I first joined, I was also looking for a camera, but my needs were specific: I wanted a camera that would allow me to use a 47mm lens, with movements, using a roll-film holder. I asked that question in the regular forum and got what I needed to make a decision. After making that decision, I could then research prices.

Also, there is an element of protecting the forum members who do post ads in the for-sale section. Just because a person with read-only access can't post in the for-sale forum doesn't mean they can't PM the seller or email them. That puts the seller in the role of trying to figure out if a person who registered for the forum yesterday and has zero posts is for real. We weed a lot of people who are NOT for real with the waitiing period.

Rick "finding the for-sale forum a poor tutorial for anything" Denney

Ken Lee
2-Apr-2013, 05:57
"finding the for-sale forum a poor tutorial for anything"

Ditto !!!

Terry Christian
2-Apr-2013, 06:00
Learning how to manage and shoot LF generally takes more than 30 days. Use that time wisely in learning from others' mistakes while you're waiting. Screwing up LF shots is frustrating, and depending in format, can be rather expensive.

Ralph Barker
2-Apr-2013, 06:30
Kirk has initiated a discussion of the read-only option among the moderators. It should also be remembered that "Newly Registered" members also includes nefarious types - spammers, data miners, malicious code propagators, etc. Thus, administratively, the issue is somewhat more complex than it might appear on the surface.

SergeiR
2-Apr-2013, 07:33
Well.. its not that hard to wait and learn for 30 days. Come on. main purpose of forum is knowledge sharing. And it is absolutely brilliant for it. learning to be patient is one of important things with LF.. so there you go.. think of it as training.

Leigh
2-Apr-2013, 09:18
For the same reason buyers want to be protected against buying from a scammer, sellers want protection to know the buyer is at least somewhat trust worthy.I always state a minimum post count (over 20) for buyers when I sell something.

I just got an offer on one of my FS listings from a guy with a 0 post count. No way in hades. :eek:

BTW, Welly... How does your hat taste?

- Leigh

BrianShaw
2-Apr-2013, 11:44
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No way in hades. :eek:


so... how far away from ABQ is that???

Kirk Gittings
2-Apr-2013, 13:25
Old NM saying..........."New Mexico-so far from heaven, so close to Texas"

John NYC
3-Apr-2013, 05:30
Edit. Forget it. Not worth my time.

jnanian
3-Apr-2013, 08:56
30 days and a handful of posts is worth the wait
seeing the trade off is spam, and "unknowns" who may take advantage
of unsuspecting buyers / sellers ...

cak
6-Sep-2013, 23:15
By the time I've joined this forum, which is now, on the advice of another seasoned photographer, I've already spent 3 months researching this stuff!!! I need a tripod! I joined in hopes of finding some tripods for sale, as I cannot fork out the cost of a brand new one.

I got into large format, yes, in part to slow down, but I have a project I want to do and the lack of tripod is preventing me from getting proper practice with my lovely new v8.

I agree with the poster -- you can prevent spammers and still allow new users to at least read the offerings.

IN fact, I'm glad I saw this thread, or I would not know why I cannot find the classifieds.
30 days is glacial, I'm a new parent and I am still determined to do this thing, my time is precious.

Tebbiebear
7-Sep-2013, 01:27
By the time I've joined this forum, which is now, on the advice of another seasoned photographer, I've already spent 3 months researching this stuff!!! I need a tripod! I joined in hopes of finding some tripods for sale, as I cannot fork out the cost of a brand new one.


Check Craigslist, ALWAYS tripods on craigslist for fairly cheap. 30 days wait was not a big deal for me.